Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[Remius]

Latest aggregate from 338.

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LPC seem to be making slow gains in seat and popular vote projections. Which at this moment doesn’t mean much. CPC down over the same period but well within majority territory.

If Trudeau steps down there could be a bigger closing of the gap. It would be bad news if he stays on as the climb back would be slow or non existent.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Latest aggregate from 338.

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LPC seem to be making slow gains in seat and popular vote projections. Which at this moment doesn’t mean much. CPC down over the same period but well within majority territory.

If Trudeau steps down there could be a bigger closing of the gap. It would be bad news if he stays on as the climb back would be slow or non existent.

Ignoring foreign influence was probably a hit with their party members.

 

[The Bread Guy]

… If Trudeau steps down there could be a bigger closing of the gap …

Other polling says there could be quite a boost, indeed. Unless it really is to late to tum the ship around.

… would be bad news if he stays on as the climb back would be slow or non existent.

Good news for PP @ Co if he stays, though.

Ignoring foreign influence was probably a hit with their party members.

Every party has dirty laundry there so I suspect that may not be a biggie

 

[TacticalTea]

Trudeau Liberals losing an ally in Europe, as the Right wins the election. Especially in France, spurring Macron to call an immediate national election. France's Right (RN/R!) could form a majority within a month.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-party-trounces-macrons-eu-vote-exit-polls-2024-06-09/

 

[Eaglelord17]

I suspect part of the reason they don’t want to name the traitors is because if they kick 11 members out of their party caucus they will lose the ability to govern. That 11 seats would put them from a slight majority with NDP support to exactly 50% with NDP support.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Trudeau Liberals losing an ally in Europe, as the Right wins the election. Especially in France, spurring Macron to call an immediate national election. France's Right (RN/R!) could form a majority within a month.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/le-pens-party-trounces-macrons-eu-vote-exit-polls-2024-06-09/

For SURE changes the audience on that side of the Atlantic.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I suspect part of the reason they don’t want to name the traitors is because if they kick 11 members out of their party caucus they will lose the ability to govern. That 11 seats would put them from a slight majority with NDP support to exactly 50% with NDP support.

I have a feeling the Liberals have a little more than 11 out of the 24 suspected members.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Strange that actual collusion between our politicians and foreigners doesn't seem to have people tearing their hair out as much as alleged-and-unproven collusion between US politicians and foreigners.

 

[PuckChaser]

There will likely be Tories and NDP involved too. If the list was all Tories it would have been leaked 5 minutes after submission to committee. They're hiding something.

 

[TacticalTea]

Strange that actual collusion between our politicians and foreigners doesn't seem to have people tearing their hair out as much as alleged-and-unproven collusion between US politicians and foreigners.

I haven't said much because I'm just at a loss for words.

Literal treason.

Yet... Eerily quiet.

Canadians have been told there might be traitors in Parliament. Why aren’t the Liberals and Conservatives running around like their heads are on fire?

Canadians need — and deserve — more of a response to foreign interference from their elected officials.

www.thestar.com

 

[brihard]

Strange that actual collusion between our politicians and foreigners doesn't seem to have people tearing their hair out as much as alleged-and-unproven collusion between US politicians and foreigners.

I’d say it’s likely, given who the membership of this site generally is, that there’s more need for many members to be cautious in their online commenting regarding domestic national security issues.

 

[The Bread Guy]

There will likely be Tories and NDP involved too. If the list was all Tories it would have been leaked 5 minutes after submission to committee. They're hiding something.

The possibility is still more than zero that some media outlet(s) has the list and is sweating it out with lawyers, too. Watch & shoot, as they used to say at the ranges ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Canadians have been told there might be traitors in Parliament. Why aren’t the Liberals and Conservatives running around like their heads are on fire?

Canadians need — and deserve — more of a response to foreign interference from their elected officials.

www.thestar.com

Good line from Susan Delacourt: "Liberals, as we know, have a knack for prolonging their own suffering."

 

[brihard]

The possibility is still more than zero that some media outlet(s) has the list and is sweating it out with lawyers, too. Watch & shoot, as they used to say at the ranges ...

At present, the case law is not favourable for investigating or prosecuting reporters for publishing national security information. That case lawn’s about 18 years old, O’Neill v Canada, and saw part of the Security of Information Act struck down through an Ottawa Citizen reporter challenging a search warrant issued after she published sensitive information about the Maher Arar case. SOIA has not been reformed since. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.612129

I’m not aware of any prosecution since for journalistic publishing of leaked national security information. With that said, in a hypothetical of classified national security information being disclosed to the media, the leakers themselves would likely be fair game if investigators could identify them and confirm the leak. The applicable law there would likely be s.16 of SOIA, which the RCMP recently got one of their own convicted on. Of course, usual caveat for I2E, evidentiary admissibility etc etc. But, even short of prosecution, their clearances and careers would be forfeit if caught.

 

[The Bread Guy]

At present, the case law is not favourable for investigating or prosecuting reporters for publishing national security information. That case lawn’s about 18 years old, O’Neill v Canada, and saw part of the Security of Information Act struck down through an Ottawa Citizen reporter challenging a search warrant issued after she published sensitive information about the Maher Arar case. SOIA has not been reformed since. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.612129

I’m not aware of any prosecution since for journalistic publishing of leaked national security information.

Thanks for that - a titch less risk for media ....

... With that said, in a hypothetical of classified national security information being disclosed to the media, the leakers themselves would likely be fair game if investigators could identify them and confirm the leak. The applicable law there would likely be s.16 of SOIA, which the RCMP recently got one of their own convicted on. Of course, usual caveat for I2E, evidentiary admissibility etc etc. But, even short of prosecution, their clearances and careers would be forfeit if caught.

... with WAY more for any leakers. Still, didn't seem to stop the Globe & Global from getting their stuff, but sounds like the risk is far, far greater on the sender in this case than any receivers.

 

[brihard]

Thanks for that - a titch less risk for media ....

... with WAY more for any leakers. Still, didn't seem to stop the Globe & Global from getting their stuff, but sounds like the risk is far, far greater on the sender in this case than any receivers.

Again, speaking just to hypotheticals- but I agree. Tons of risk to the leaker of any classified information.

There’s separate case law to suggest that police could potentially target the source of information through the journalist. RCMP got recordings a Global News reporter had from an interview with an ISIS fighter; the reporter was not a suspect, and police got a production order compelling the handover of the recording. Now, this isn’t in the context of a privileged journalistic source, but it would probably be part of the calculus lawyers and courts would have to make. Court backs RCMP in fight for Global News recording of alleged ISIS member - National | Globalnews.ca

All said and done, to my very amateur eyes it’s still a murky and not crystallized area of law. The offences are very much there; the investigative steps and authorities potentially pretty tricky. I wouldn’t want to be the guy or girl suspected of leaking something though.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Glass half full?

Trudeau is doing wonders for real estate... in Florida Emigration from Canada to the U.S. hits a 10-year high as tens of thousands head south

 

[Halifax Tar]

Glass half full?

Trudeau is doing wonders for real estate... in Florida Emigration from Canada to the U.S. hits a 10-year high as tens of thousands head south

We've already been scolded and told this is a big nothing burger and to move on.

 

[Quirky]

Wait until the capital gains tax increases and professionals along with doctors start leaving south. The Liberals are still scratching the surface of complete and utter incompetence, there is still much more left in the tank with their bright ideas!

 

[Grimey]

Wait until the capital gains tax increases and professionals along with doctors start leaving south. The Liberals are still scratching the surface of complete and utter incompetence, there is still much more left in the tank with their bright ideas!

Like capital gains tax on sale of primary residence. It’s a-comin’!