Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[PrairieFella]

Years ago in the 1VP A Coy lines in Currie I told D Inf that we should kill off everyone over the rank of Captain in the Infantry as at that point all that was being done was Coy Level Cbt Team attacks, which let’s be honest only needs a Captain to run.

To me the CAF needs to organize as a war fighting entity to justify it existence. The RCN and RCAF mostly seem to be able to do that (though I think the Tac Hel numbers are woeful) While the CA seems to enjoy making farcical formations to the expense of actual capability. Then there are the other commands - that just seem to suck life from everyone.

That is a very silly idea lol

 

[daftandbarmy]

Years ago in the 1VP A Coy lines in Currie I told D Inf that we should kill off everyone over the rank of Captain in the Infantry as at that point all that was being done was Coy Level Cbt Team attacks, which let’s be honest only needs a Captain to run.

To me the CAF needs to organize as a war fighting entity to justify it existence. The RCN and RCAF mostly seem to be able to do that (though I think the Tac Hel numbers are woeful) While the CA seems to enjoy making farcical formations to the expense of actual capability. Then there are the other commands - that just seem to suck life from everyone.

A good Infantry commander will make sure everyone in their unit can do everyone else's job, if required.

For example, I've seen Private soldiers lead pretty good platoon attacks.

 

[KevinB]

A good Infantry commander will make sure everyone in their unit can do everyone else's job, if required.

For example, I've seen Private soldiers lead pretty good platoon attacks.

My point was more that decade saw some significantly poor efforts of the CA (or at least 1 CMBG) to do much more than Coy level work.

Which is not anything sort of reasonable for an Army that is allegedly purposed for LSCO’s

 

[daftandbarmy]

My point was more that decade saw some significantly poor efforts of the CA (or at least 1 CMBG) to do much more than Coy level work.

Which is not anything sort of reasonable for an Army that is allegedly purposed for LSCO’s

Good point... training higher than company level takes a significant investment in time and resources...

 

[KevinB]

Good point... training higher than company level takes a significant investment in time and resources...

True but it’s really embarrassing if all of a sudden you need to plug into an allies Division and no one knows how.

 

[Gunplumber]

Did you tell them they should all be demoted to Colonel or lower?

Yes I did asshat. Especially when I gave up a position back in the Reg force as I was on the project to send Memory Boxes to the family's of our fallen soldiers who died in service and was told that if I didn't accept that I gave up my chance. The Army Sgt Major had a nice talk to them, but I lost my chance as it was a year back logged so why dont you just fuck off. I carried on till the last family got their Memory box. What the fuck have you done?

Im tired of getting shit on. Kick me off here Im ok with that.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Define leading from your perspective.

@Navy_Pete equal rank isn’t so much the issue - a senior Captain can command with a junior Captain [or Lt(N)] as a subordinate, but when one gets into unit commands and higher it isn’t ideal, and in no way should a junior member have command over a senior.
If a junior has command over a senior it’s a terrible thing for multiple reasons not just pay and benefits but it brings to question the entire rank structure. Does it occur at times - yes but usually at much lower levels, and it’s still a corrosive issue.

The GOC should cap the GOFO levels, but they won’t as the love empire building too.

For sure, I don't think it makes sense for a higher rank to work for a lower rank (officer or NCM) on the actual CoC, just giving some examples where it's common for folks to report to someone at the same rank. See the same thing with some LCdr and Cdr jobs, but again getting less uncommon as people tend to get promoted faster due to huge shortages. In my trade anyway, the triangle tends to shrink pretty quickly around 3 ringer.

There are some weird situations on ships, where the officer of the day, who is exercising charge on behalf of the CO, so you can be giving direction to your boss or more senior people, but it's bit more like a temporary tactical command situation (on behalf of someone who is higher ranked) vice normal employment.

Sounds like similar things happen in other elements, but shoudl be the exception if it makes sense temporarily in the context vice the status quo. I'd be a bit insulted if I got posted somewhere where I was reporting to somewhere and my supervisor was a lower rank for sure.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

A good Infantry commander will make sure everyone in their unit can do everyone else's job, if required.

For example, I've seen Private soldiers lead pretty good platoon attacks.

Wasn't that one of the reasons the Wehrmacht in WW2 were so good? NCOs were trained one or two levels of command higher?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Wasn't that one of the reasons the Wehrmacht in WW2 were so good? NCOs were trained one or two levels of command higher?

Battle drills are a good way to ensure that if a commander is knocked off, subordinates can carry on in their absence.

AFAIK, most modern militaries at the time adopted that policy.

As I understand it, the Germans 'Out Generaled' their opponents, until around 1942/3 anyways ...

 

[Good2Golf]

Yes I did asshat. Especially when I gave up a position back in the Reg force as I was on the project to send Memory Boxes to the family's of our fallen soldiers who died in service and was told that if I didn't accept that I gave up my chance. The Army Sgt Major had a nice talk to them, but I lost my chance as it was a year back logged so why dont you just fuck off. I carried on till the last family got their Memory box. What the fuck have you done?

Im tired of getting shit on. Kick me off here Im ok with that.

Asshat? WTF is that?

I asked you a question relevant to your previous chain of posts about how all generals and admirals should be eliminated and Colonel being the highest rank possible and many roles lower rank than that.

Did I ask, “Hey asshat! Did you f’n have the balls to tell them your great idea to cashier them all and you run the show with all your wisdom?”

No, it was a straightforward question asked neutrally. You took offense and answered as you did.

If you’re feeling guilty about yourself behaving like a holier-than-thou know it all and daring the moderators to ban you because the world is so unfair, perhaps you do everyone a favor, man up and ask to have your account permanently deleted?

 

[Remius]

Yes I did asshat. Especially when I gave up a position back in the Reg force as I was on the project to send Memory Boxes to the family's of our fallen soldiers who died in service and was told that if I didn't accept that I gave up my chance. The Army Sgt Major had a nice talk to them, but I lost my chance as it was a year back logged so why dont you just fuck off. I carried on till the last family got their Memory box. What the fuck have you done?

Im tired of getting shit on. Kick me off here Im ok with that.

So first off, you seem to be lashing out at members here who disagree with you. I understand your frustration but they aren’t the cause of the issues you take issue with.

Do we have a lot of GOFOs? Yes. Absolutely. That does not mean that we should downgrade the ranks for “reasons” and maybe understand why they are ranked the way they are.

I’m more in favour of identifying the bloat positions and getting rid of them altogether.

 

[FJAG]

in my Battery of 9 OP Dets we have a whopping 1 FOO, and I can tell you that’s true across all three.

WTF - is that coming from intake issues at the bottom and overall throughput or from course unavailability for the trained lieutenants and captains who are otherwise ready to move up or guys in FOO positions off on other courses?

 

[markppcli]

WTF - is that coming from intake issues at the bottom and overall throughput or from course unavailability for the trained lieutenants and captains who are otherwise ready to move up or guys in FOO positions off on other courses?

Bit of both. Captains hit FOO just as they’ll be getting looked at for IG. We’re seeing FOOs with 1 year in the OPs at most.