Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[QV]

Honestly I’m sick of Canadians arguing over two political figures that are not Canadians. All I fricking hear is “Trump did this” and “Biden did that ”.
Let’s concentrate on Canada and its political figures please.

This is definitely the wrong thread for that. But I don't expect much else of a response from those who are supportive of freezing bank accounts, government overreach, and are incapable of differentiating observations from personal opinions.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Much as I disagree with most of QV's posts, I must say that was a classic passive aggressive case of of whataboutism.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Honestly I’m sick of Canadians arguing over two political figures that are not Canadians. All I fricking hear is “Trump did this” and “Biden did that ”.
Let’s concentrate on Canada and its political figures please
And FWIW I do not trust the current GoC.

Agreed.

Federal Court finds Emergencies Act for ‘Freedom Convoy’ violated Charter | Globalnews.ca

The Federal Court has ruled the Trudeau government’s decision to invoke the Emergencies Act during the so-called "Freedom Convoy" that descended on Ottawa violated the Charter.

globalnews.ca

Well, look at that eh...

 

[Lumber]

Much as I disagree with most of QV's posts, I must say that was a classic passive aggressive case of of whataboutism.

Incorrect. It was not a whataboutism at all. A "whataboutism" would have included a positive critique of Trudeau by contracts to Trump. Eg. "yea, but what about Trump!"

This was ad hominem statement pointing out hypocrisy.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Incorrect. It was not a whataboutism at all. A "whataboutism" would have included a positive critique of Trudeau by contracts to Trump. Eg. "yea, but what about Trump!"

This was ad hominem statement pointing out hypocrisy.

How about that court ruling on the Emergency Measures Act eh ?

 

[Navy_Pete]

I'm okay with stuff like this; means our system is working as this was the first time it was invoked so should give much clearer ground rules, and this should set a precedence for going forwards.

Rightly or wrongly, at least they made a decision, but all could have probably been avoided by some actual firm decisions being made earlier on at the local level. Letting things build up for a month turned the response into a much bigger thing then it needed to be.

Hopefully they also will do a better job coordinating things with the municipal government in the future, but given the shit show that was the reopening of the street I doubt it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

This is a rich statement coming from someone who is so ardently pro-Trump.

Don't forget a vote for Poilievre is a vote for Trump.

 

[Lumber]

How about that court ruling on the Emergency Measures Act eh ?

If the legal experts are of this opinion, who am I to argue about the legality of the action. Morally and tactically, I still think it was the right decision.

 

[TacticalTea]

Rightly or wrongly, at least they made a decision, but all could have probably been avoided by some actual firm decisions being made earlier on at the local level. Letting things build up for a month turned the response into a much bigger thing then it needed to be.

Nemo auditur propriam turpitudinem allegans

 

[Lumber]

This is definitely the wrong thread for that. But I don't expect much else of a response from those who are supportive of freezing bank accounts, government overreach, and are incapable of differentiating observations from personal opinions.

What a reductionist statement: "those who support freezing bank accounts". So you are against all cases of freezing bank accounts? There aren't any circumstances where that's inappropriate?

Government overreach; do you me a legally or philosophically? Legal the courts have said it was goveoverreach, which I'm not for. Philosophically, morally, tactically, I don't believe it was over reach.

 

[Remius]

How about that court ruling on the Emergency Measures Act eh ?

It’s probably the right decision. It was not required at all in my mind to end that mess.

 

[QV]

The Canadian government knowingly acted illegally against it's citizens. At minimum, the PM, DPM, and CSIS director should be resigning (those are the only ones I am presently aware of that championed the EA while knowing the convoy didn't meet the national security threat threshold).

 

[Jarnhamar]

Does violating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms come with any kind of penalty?

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Government overreach; do you me a legally or philosophically? Legal the courts have said it was goveoverreach, which I'm not for. Philosophically, morally, tactically, I don't believe it was over reach.

How dare you introduce nuance, shades of grey and being able to hold more than one thought at the same time into this discussion?!?! You'll never build good memes that way

 

[QV]

What a reductionist statement: "those who support freezing bank accounts". So you are against all cases of freezing bank accounts? There aren't any circumstances where that's inappropriate?

Government overreach; do you me a legally or philosophically? Legal the courts have said it was goveoverreach, which I'm not for. Philosophically, morally, tactically, I don't believe it was over reach.

Lumber, of course when I state "freezing bank accounts" in this thread I am referring to the context of the convoy situation. I thought you were able to make that connection without assistance.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Nemo auditur propriam turpitudinem allegans

Purple my convenient octopus?

Looking up the translation didn't help either.

 

[Remius]

Does violating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms come with any kind of penalty?

Lol. You are new here right?

 

[Good2Golf]

Does violating the Charter of Rights and Freedoms come with any kind of penalty?

If it keeps people from inappropriately wearing toques with raincoats, gloves or not, then I’m sure the occasional Charter breach is okay.

 

[OldSolduer]

If it keeps people from inappropriately wearing toques with raincoats, gloves or not, then I’m sure the occasional Charter breach is okay.

Actually our system - I’m sure FJAG can amplify- allows for Charter breaches.
The
Notwithstanding clause has been used a fair bit IIRC

 

[QV]

If the enactment of the EA was unconstitutional, was the force used by police during the street clearing unlawful then?

What enforcement happened only because of the EA declaration?