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Ex-commando arrested before JTF2 memoir release

Crantor said:
if it's BS, then how is it a threat to National Security?  just saying.

Wouldn't have been prudent to just dismiss the details in the book and pass the guy off as a quack?

Jean-Claude Larouche, the book's publisher, says he received a letter Monday from the Department of National Defence warning the book's publication could threaten national security.

A spokesperson for the department echoed the concerns expressed in the letter.

"Mr. Morisset's book is an unauthorized account of the Joint Task Force 2,'' said Lt. Isabelle Riche.

"Such publications have the potential to endanger the safety of JTF2 members and their families. They can also jeopardize the effectiveness of operations by disclosing sensitive and classified information.

"In order to mitigate those risks, all members of JTF2 sign a non-disclosure agreement upon leaving the unit.''

The news story says that a letter from DND was received by the publisher, but that letter is not quoted only mentioned (unless the quote by Lt. Riche is from the letter).  Even the statements from Riche are generic and do not touch on the legitimacy or accuracy of Morrisset.  Her comments could be interpreted as:  even if Morrisset had been in JTF-2 and even if he had taken part in operations he should not be telling stories about the unit, whether they are untrue or not, because if he had been in JTF-2 he would have signed an agreement to not talk about the unit.
 
George Wallace said:
Because; even BS when read in the wrong context can create a Breach of Security or perhaps an International Incident.  False 'Rumours' and 'Innuendo' can be very damaging. 

Let's just pretend you are someone of importance, and someone wrote to a newspaper that you were a pedophile.  It doesn't have to have any semblance of truth to it, but your reputation has now been irreparably damaged and/or perhaps totally destroyed.

Do you understand now?


Sort of my point George.  We're all dismissing this as BS, a good yarn etc etc.  I don't think most of us have actually read the whole thing or are privy to certain info in the book to begin with but it has DND's attention. 

The fact is this: He's a former operator with JTF2 claiming to have written a tell-all.  Maybe he's telling fibs, maybe he has an axe to grind.  Didn't Andy McNabb do something similar about the SAS?  So did a few other "anonymous authers". 

Do you think he's telling BS or is this actually a breach of his non-disclosure agreement.  The fact is that this is probably something more serious than mere BS and story telling. 
 
The fact is this: He's a former operator with JTF2 claiming to have written a tell-all.

  When I hear the term operator in association with JTF-2, I think gunfighter. Who says he was an operator? There are probably some on this forum who knew him, and can tell you what his trade/job really was! When that info becomes more broadly disseminated. I suspect that grains of salt will become commonplace when this topic is discussed.

 
Weinie said:
  When I hear the term operator in association with JTF-2, I think gunfighter. Who says he was an operator? There are probably some on this forum who knew him, and can tell you what his trade/job really was! When that info becomes more broadly disseminated. I suspect that grains of salt will become commonplace when this topic is discussed.

Ok, sorry, he claims to be an operator/assaulter etc etc.  i take it you didn't read the extract provided in one of the links.  That account certainly wasn't about his time as a GD monkey.
 
Crantor,

While part of his story as reported in the press has already been discredited, the accuracy of his narrative is not the moot point. The issue is that he authored a book he claims to be about his time in JTF2. That is contrary to the non-disclosure agreement, and that landed him temporarily at least in the slammer.

The Brits let McNabb reap the benefits of Brave Two Zero and subsequent titles. That encouraged others to do the same, and led to security concerns. That eventually resulted in a policy of not allowing violaters of the non-disclosure policy any further contact with the special forces community. I read somewhere that a former senior officer in the regiment who rose to Lieutenant General and commanded the British forces in the first Gulf War being escorted out of 22 SAS lines when he showed up for a memorial service for an old friend. His crime - including details of his time in the SAS in his memoirs.

In my opinion it is better to nip this sort of thing in the bud.
 
 Ok, sorry, he claims to be an operator/assaulter etc etc.  i take it you didn't read the extract provided in one of the links.  That account certainly wasn't about his time as a GD monkey.  

  I did read the extract, and all of the following commentary, including your own. Perhaps you misunderstood the intent of my post.

GD monkeys, and many others of that ilk, don't get their hands on sniper rifles so that they can look down the scope and see the Taliban slitting throats, or have the opportunity to do some of the other things that he claims.

By purposely exaggerating and sensationalizing, he can then claim that any subsequent actions by DND, are retribution for "spilling the beans." My point is that the beans he spilled never happened except in his fertile imagination ( or perhaps CSIS ordered him to write it this way.)
 
Old Sweat said:
The issue is that he authored a book he claims to be about his time in JTF2. That is contrary to the non-disclosure agreement, and that landed him temporarily at least in the slammer.
He actually was arrested and charged with contacting two minors with the intent of committing sexual crimes.  Considering he's already been tried, convicted and sentanced to 14 months for previous sex crimes...

 
Retired AF Guy said:
The second thing that doesn't add up is the 2001 "CSIS" operation in Afghanistan. First off, JTF-2 is a strategic military assets that reports to CDS/MND, CSIS has no control over it. For JTF-2 to carryout a mission of this type would require the approval of the very least the CDS' approval and I cannot imagine the CDS (either General Maurice Baril or Ray Henault  depending on time of the year) ordering such a mission without the PM's approval.

It sounds like a Tom Clancy book to me  ;D

But it leaves the question how many bureaucrats would approve something like that (without informing the PM's Office)  ??? 
 
Garb811

Thanks for the correction. It still does not alter the fact that he violated his non-disclosure agreement.
 
I do remember the Army shooting up some bank robbers who took hostages in Ottawa, but that was roughly 30 years ago. Before even the RCMP anti-terrorist force existed. God before even the word terrorist existed. All the bank robbers were shot but a few survived. Of course that was before the internet so it's like it never happened (since you can't google it)
;)
 
George Wallace said:
Let's just pretend you are someone of importance, and someone wrote to a newspaper that you were a pedophile.  It doesn't have to have any semblance of truth to it, but your reputation has now been irreparably damaged and/or perhaps totally destroyed.

Do you understand now?

What fantasy world do you live in where newspapers print unsubstantiated letters claiming people are pedophiles without even running them past their lawyers first or seeking corroboration first? Newspapers don't do that. Ever. The thing about libel damages in Canada is a media outlet that repeats them is equally responsible for damages as the person who makes the allegations.
 
Come on 40BL, the media often bite off more than they can chew without digesting the facts.

To say the print nothing but the truth is a giant crock of shyte.

 
40below said:
What fantasy world do you live in where newspapers print unsubstantiated letters claiming people are pedophiles without even running them past their lawyers first or seeking corroboration first? Newspapers don't do that. Ever. The thing about libel damages in Canada is a media outlet that repeats them is equally responsible for damages as the person who makes the allegations. 

I think your missing his point...
 
I think he got bit in the ass by his own level of Non-disclosure agreement. Monitored for life baby.
 
Crantor said:
Ok, sorry, he claims to be an operator/assaulter etc etc.  i take it you didn't read the extract provided in one of the links.  That account certainly wasn't about his time as a GD monkey.

It still could of made for an OK book. "When I drove a cube van for the JTF"...
 
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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/04/30/5434266-cp.html
Doubts raised about accuracy of controversial book on JTF2 commandos

By Jonathan Montpetit, THE CANADIAN PRESS

MONTREAL - Doubts are being raised about the accuracy of an incendiary first-hand account of Canada's secretive Joint Task Force 2 commando unit, a book whose author was arrested on the eve of its launch last week.
Several presumably top-secret missions are detailed in "Nous etions invincibles" ("We Were Invincible"), which is billed as a memoir of Denis Morisset's time with the unit from 1993 to 2001.

The book's more explosive claims include that JTF2 members took part in the assassination of a suspected war criminal and conducted an unauthorized intelligence operation in Afghanistan years before the Sept. 11 attacks.
Such claims have raised eyebrows among military insiders, observers and at least one of the book's subjects.

Morisset says he was among four JTF2 members who served as bodyguards for Romeo Dallaire during the Rwandan genocide.
"Mr. Denis Morisset never served as a bodyguard to retired lieutenant-general Dallaire while (he was) commanding his mission in Rwanda," said Rafael Guzman, a spokesperson for Dallaire who consulted with the senator on the issue.

According to the book, JTF2 also conducted a series of reconnaissance missions while in Rwanda and witnessed part of the massacre of 10 Belgian soldiers in April 1994.
Dallaire's office questioned the timeline Morisset gives for JTF2's presence in Rwanda, saying there would have been little overlap with Dallaire's assignment.
Morisset's description of a late-1990s JTF2 mission in Afghanistan that was ordered by CSIS but hidden from the federal government is also being met with incredulity.

"It just doesn't make sense that we would have been involved in operations at that stage," said Scott Taylor, editor-in-chief of military affairs magazine Esprit de Corps and co-author of "Tested Mettle: Canada's Peacekeepers at War," which deals partly with JTF2.
"Under what national interest would they have been serving (in Afghanistan) in 1998 when it was a civil war between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance?"
The debate over the accuracy of "Nous etions invincibles" has carried over into several military Internet forums.

Like Taylor, many question the logic behind events described in the book.
Morisset's claim that JTF2 was called to end a hostage-taking at an Ottawa bank in 1994 is met with skepticism on several fronts.
Some point out there seems to be no public record of the event, which Morisset says took place at a bank near Parliament Hill and ended in gunfire.

Ultimately separating fact from fiction, both within the book and among critics, could prove futile given the JTF2's near mythic secrecy, the military's cone of silence and the ravages of mental illness.
"Everything we could check out, we did," said the book's publisher Jean-Claude Larouche. "But there are many details that only he can say, 'This is what happened."'
Complicating matters is Morisset's personal life.

He was arrested last week and charged with contacting two minors with the intent of committing sexual crimes. His co-author has speculated it was an attempt to discredit his book.
Morisset served a 14-month prison sentence after pleading guilty to similar charges in 2003. He says he was ordered to admit the crimes and maintains he did nothing wrong.

His friends also point out that he suffers from a severe case of post-traumatic stress disorder, as does Dallaire.

Despite the uncertainty that hangs over much of the book's content, Taylor believes it will bring some much-needed accountability to JTF2's actions.
"Every little look at this unit... will probably have a good result in that we probably shouldn't have a unit that is able to operate behind a complete cloak of secrecy and silence," he said.
Without a Canadian foreign intelligence service, Taylor says Canadian commandos may operate at the mercy of allies who provide vital information.

"For us to deploy highly trained skilled commandos, either we're doing someone else's dirty work or it's going to be limited to operations at home, because we really don't have the capacity to understand the tribal nuances of Afghanistan," Taylor said.
The few bits of information that do escape about JTF2's activities sometimes come from south of the border.
It was only during Congressional hearings in 2001 that Canadians learned the elite commandos were part of an international force hunting Taliban and al-Qaida suspects in Afghanistan.

But for all its secrecy, JTF2 hasn't exactly been immune from bad publicity.
One commando blew off two fingers and another was badly burned during a 1994 training exercise in British Columbia.
A JTF2 explosives expert went AWOL in 2003, possibly with sensitive information, only to surface several months later in Thailand.
And in 2006, a unit member ducked assault charges because he couldn't be named for security reasons.
"They've had a few black eyes," Taylor said.

 
I guess I should feel sorry for Morisset as he probably is a sick puppy, and I guess I do a little bit. That is not going to help him a whole bunch and hopefully the legal system will get him some treartment if he is convicted and sent to the slammer. 

As is suggested in the Canadian Press story, the comment in the post before it sums up the whole sad affair.
 
His friends also point out that he suffers from a severe case of post-traumatic stress disorder, as does Dallaire.

I hope he's not trying to compare.  I have to admit, I was not too impresses with D'Allaire's original claim but I have come to understand (if not accept) it.
 
Despite the uncertainty that hangs over much of the book's content, Taylor believes it will bring some much-needed accountability to JTF2's actions.
"Every little look at this unit... will probably have a good result in that we probably shouldn't have a unit that is able to operate behind a complete cloak of secrecy and silence," he said.
Without a Canadian foreign intelligence service, Taylor says Canadian commandos may operate at the mercy of allies who provide vital information.

"For us to deploy highly trained skilled commandos, either we're doing someone else's dirty work or it's going to be limited to operations at home, because we really don't have the capacity to understand the tribal nuances of Afghanistan," Taylor said.
The few bits of information that do escape about JTF2's activities sometimes come from south of the border.
It was only during Congressional hearings in 2001 that Canadians learned the elite commandos were part of an international force hunting Taliban and al-Qaida suspects in Afghanistan.

And Scott Taylor is talking out of his a** again  ::) on something that he has little knowledge of (like most of us when it comes to said unit)



Wow this book looks like a good read ;D  Tom Clancy better look out because this guy may have a better book ;D
 
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