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Current Dress Regs

The boots were delivered by the Naval Improved Clothing Ensemble (NICE) project.

Look up NICE in the Defence Services Project List - and possibly the Capabilities and Investment Database - for details on the requirements.
 
Don’t forget to bring your anti flash hood to Carling in case that someone tries to burn you.
 
Don’t forget to bring your anti flash hood to Carling in case that someone tries to burn you.
Thanks, I can smell that hood now lol!

It's hilarious how much of an afterthought those hoods and gloves are for anti-flash when the old NCDs worked really well. There was a test video being used for training that basically had a dummy wearing them getting blasted with 4 flamethrowers fora 4 second exposure. The NCDs did really well; the major burns are on the hands and face, even with the flash gear on. Better than not wearing them I guess.

We haven't repeated the same testing with the NECUs but without the second layer and loose tailoring they won't perform as well. Still good enough, but holy shit that black shirt is hot, so people walking around in a tshirt versus the old blue shirt would be in a bad way if they did some rapid response without putting the shirt on (which we all know happens IRL).
 
Thanks, I can smell that hood now lol!

It's hilarious how much of an afterthought those hoods and gloves are for anti-flash when the old NCDs worked really well. There was a test video being used for training that basically had a dummy wearing them getting blasted with 4 flamethrowers fora 4 second exposure. The NCDs did really well; the major burns are on the hands and face, even with the flash gear on. Better than not wearing them I guess.

We haven't repeated the same testing with the NECUs but without the second layer and loose tailoring they won't perform as well. Still good enough, but holy shit that black shirt is hot, so people walking around in a tshirt versus the old blue shirt would be in a bad way if they did some rapid response without putting the shirt on (which we all know happens IRL).
The Navy should just wear coveralls with some hi vis piping and rank slip ons.
 
Random question, I'm now supposed to go clumping around Carling in NCDs with the big giant NCD boots, which is dumb. Does anyone know the ref for the NCD boot requirements? Pretty sure it's black leather CSA grade 1 boots rated for electrical and oily floors, but would be good to have a piece of paper.

It's giving me shin splints, and I could go through sick parade to physio to get some kind of note to get reinmbursed, but will just go buy them myself instead. I'll swap out my old pairs because the soles are rock hard but the issued ones are still heavy AF, so would like something more comfortable for walking longer distances and also not so heavy people hear me coming from sections away on the weird floating flooring.

I couldn't get boots from Supply before I deployed last June. I bought these:


And lots of people wear the Blundstone style too.
 
I couldn't get boots from Supply before I deployed last June. I bought these:


And lots of people wear the Blundstone style too.
Thanks, I ended up finding a place with some really lightweight ones from Kodiak at a reasonable price. Not Canadian made, but at least a Canadian company, and both of them weigh about the same as one of my sea boots.

I don't think anyone cares, but made sure they met CSA grade 1, but that was more so I can wear them onto the construction sites I visit with the new gig without worrying about it.
 
The Navy should just wear coveralls with some hi vis piping and rank slip ons.
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Coveralls come in two sizes, too big and two small. I'll gladly stick to a two piece uniform that is just as effective.

That said, reflective piping would have been a good idea. The French do it, and it still looks professional/navy-like.
 
That said, reflective piping would have been a good idea. The French do it, and it still looks professional/navy-like.

Any reason for the reflective piping? I would think going overboard in most waters it won’t help, as unless it’s the arms while being waved frantically while being illuminated from a light on board it won’t get seen very easily. Or is there another reason I’m missing?
 
Any reason for the reflective piping? I would think going overboard in most waters it won’t help, as unless it’s the arms while being waved frantically while being illuminated from a light on board it won’t get seen very easily. Or is there another reason I’m missing?
Smoke filled/dark room down as a casualty? The glint could signal the rescue team shining a light.
 
Any reason for the reflective piping? I would think going overboard in most waters it won’t help, as unless it’s the arms while being waved frantically while being illuminated from a light on board it won’t get seen very easily. Or is there another reason I’m missing?
It would assist if the search light is being used to narrow in on a particular search area, but also as @PuckChaser said, it helps with seeing workers or casualties in dark spaces.
 
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Coveralls come in two sizes, too big and two small. I'll gladly stick to a two piece uniform that is just as effective.

That said, reflective piping would have been a good idea. The French do it, and it still looks professional/navy-like.
Somehow every industrial site in Canada can make this work but it’s a step to far for the CAF
 
Somehow every industrial site in Canada can make this work but it’s a step to far for the CAF
They buy their coveralls from actual work clothing manufacturers, and not a Quebec company that can't make the same size pants/shirts the actual same size. Also, how many of those workers would prefer a two piece work clothing arrangement, but accept the coveralls because that's what the company requires?

The only people on the ship who might see an advantage in coveralls are the MSE Department, who are already issued coveralls... Maybe CSE, could use coveralls as well, but operators, logisticians, officers, etc., don't need and would not benefit from coveralls. The few people from those departments who want them are far outnumbered by the people who prefer a two piece clothing option.

A soldier suggesting coveralls for all sailors is like a sailor suggesting the Tacvest is a great solution for the combat arms load bearing needs.
 
Personally I am a fan of two piece flame resistant clothes with high visibility bands on the arms, chest and legs, always nice to be able to weld or burn without risk of your clothes catching fire easily.

I don’t see anyone wearing coveralls where I am and we have over 3k people working.
 
They buy their coveralls from actual work clothing manufacturers, and not a Quebec company that can't make the same size pants/shirts the actual same size. Also, how many of those workers would prefer a two piece work clothing arrangement, but accept the coveralls because that's what the company requires?

well they wear them because their cheap, easy to launder, and do the job on a industrial site. Seems like that applies to the working environment of a naval ship. What’s the advantage of two pieces? Surely that creates gaps in flash protection?

The only people on the ship who might see an advantage in coveralls are the MSE Department, who are already issued coveralls... Maybe CSE, could use coveralls as well, but operators, logisticians, officers, etc., don't need and would not benefit from coveralls. The few people from those departments who want them are far outnumbered by the people who prefer a two piece clothing option.

What’s preferred vs what’s better. My pint is about cost, practicality, and usability in what is, from my view, a floating set of workshops, machine stations, and industrial sites.

A soldier suggesting coveralls for all sailors is like a sailor suggesting the Tacvest is a great solution for the combat arms load bearing needs.

I’d argue that a ship has a lot more in common with an industrial work site that anything that the new combats were designed for. While I never claimed to be an expert I the navy’s combat operations, this is less like you talking about the tac vest than it is if you argued we should only wear OTW shirts.
 
well they wear them because their cheap, easy to launder, and do the job on a industrial site. Seems like that applies to the working environment of a naval ship. What’s the advantage of two pieces? Surely that creates gaps in flash protection?
For the bolded part, I highlighted who already uses coveralls on ship, the Marine Systems Engineering(MSE) Department, they work in the parts of the ship that would be like an industrial site. The Combat Systems Engineering Depart sometimes work in industrial conditions (mostly armaments, though I suppose all do to some extent or another), but often also work in essentially office spaces and server rooms afloat.

All work uniforms on the CPFs are laundered in the ships laundry already, so apart from slightly less folding for the people working laundry, there is no benefit to coveralls.

There are no real gaps in your protection wearing either coveralls or NCDs that don't exist in the other option. Coveralls are slightly quicker to put on, but then become cumbersome while working on the upper decks in the tropics, and are annoying in the heads(washrooms). The new NCDs that have a zippered vs. buttoned shirt essentially eliminate the advantage coveralls had over the old buttoned NCDs, and also remove the negatives of having your top attached to your bottom.

What’s preferred vs what’s better. My pint is about cost, practicality, and usability in what is, from my view, a floating set of workshops, machine stations, and industrial sites.
As I pointed out in the above reply, the people who work in the "industrial" part of the ship already have coveralls. The rest of us work in essentially office type spaces like the bridge, operations room, server rooms, stores spaces, and literal offices.

I’d argue that a ship has a lot more in common with an industrial work site that anything that the new combats were designed for. While I never claimed to be an expert I the navy’s combat operations, this is less like you talking about the tac vest than it is if you argued we should only wear OTW shirts.
Our new Naval Combat Dress was designed for use specifically at sea, in warships. It's flame retardant, can be layered with a FR fleece jacket for cold weather, and comes in multiple sizing options so that it actually fits the individual. It is essentially, apart from the lack of reflective piping, the ideal uniform for the task.

The biggest issue with it kind of goes back to the OTW shirt thing though, in that we don't have a lightweight version for use in warm climates, so we bake in the sun wearing double layer black shirts over black t-shirts when working in tropics.

My intent isn't to attack, rather to point out as someone that has sailed while wearing the new NCDs, that they are great uniforms for use at sea, and the benefits of them outweigh the slight downside of them(speed) compared to coveralls.
 
They buy their coveralls from actual work clothing manufacturers, and not a Quebec company that can't make the same size pants/shirts the actual same size. Also, how many of those workers would prefer a two piece work clothing arrangement, but accept the coveralls because that's what the company requires?

The only people on the ship who might see an advantage in coveralls are the MSE Department, who are already issued coveralls... Maybe CSE, could use coveralls as well, but operators, logisticians, officers, etc., don't need and would not benefit from coveralls. The few people from those departments who want them are far outnumbered by the people who prefer a two piece clothing option.

A soldier suggesting coveralls for all sailors is like a sailor suggesting the Tacvest is a great solution for the combat arms load bearing needs.
The thing I don't get is that you can buy off the shelf coveralls sized to fit individuals with high vis stripes that are FR and meant for getting oily from all the oil field suppliers, and they are an absolutely awsome working garment.

There is literally no reason why people in the MSE department couldn't have a few sets of maintenance coveralls just for doing maintenance, sized properly for them, if they wanted them, other than the RCN says we all have to look the same all the time, and slap more patches on work dress than the average NASCAR driver. It's so silly.

At one point I think it was AOPs that actually had a change area with showers outside the engine room so you could jump in and out of coveralls and keep the ship clean, which would have been awesome. There are some common things on commercial ships that we really should do.
 
Personally I am a fan of two piece flame resistant clothes with high visibility bands on the arms, chest and legs, always nice to be able to weld or burn without risk of your clothes catching fire easily.

I don’t see anyone wearing coveralls where I am and we have over 3k people working.
Wouldn't bright yellow be the most visible in most situations?
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