Cougar

[Teddy Ruxpin]

Geo:  Hmmm... They could be leftovers from the last rebuild/repaint program...not sure.

What I am sure of is that the AVGP rebuild program has been cancelled in its entirety, despite the e-mail that Gobsmacked as so inappropriately posted.  NDHQ CLS 10000-1 (DLSP 3-2) 18 Mar 05 refers.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Stale-dated, ATI-requested e-mails aren't gospel.  I find it somewhat annoying that Gobsmacked took it upon himself to post internal DND e-mail - no matter what the subject and no matter how he got hold of it.  It may not be illegal, but it is rude in my books.

"Stale-dated, ATI-requested e-mails aren't gospel."
AHH ERR (Drool dripping from corners of mouth)
DOH  (Drool forming pool on floor) - y'all really fur shur?  ushup:
DUH! (hold-it, moment of clarity coming ... )  DOH (almost lost it there ... ok its coming back) 
Jeesh!  No kidding, never said they were. Purely for informative purposes.
Plus, you may have noticed    that is was put in the form of a querry, the most recent info would be more than welcome.  ;D

Unlike Army PA, which - unlike the sister services - likes to blow off serious inquerries.  :tsktsk:
"For media, we've established the Media Liaison Office and they can be contacted at 613-996-2353/2354. 
They route requests for information to the appropriate agency for a response.
Requests from other people or agencies are routed to General Inquiries.
They can be contacted at the following link:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/contact_e.asp#inquiry
Please direct your querry to one of these to agencies as appropriate."  :dontpanic:

At least I'm trying to get the most recently available info out there
(through that laboured ATI process that often releases info up-to 5 Months after the 'Statutory Release By' date),
unlike the Army which would rather it's continual change of direction were kept quiet.
ie. Scrapping Leo 1C2s just finished a C$140M Upgrade, trying to sell-off ADATS in late-90s - now purportedly the 'centerpiece' of Army Transformation as the "all-singing all-dancing MMEV-ADATS" (as so eloquently put forth by Mark C), Prematurely retiring Just-Upgraded (at a cost of nearly C$300M) M-113s, and the list goes on.  Point made.  :brickwall:

As to the niceties of "post internal DND e-mail".
Its a good thing I didn't follow up Maj 'W' with Capt's 'T' & 'F'.
or we'd have a load of Maj 'B' and LCol 'S' . 
With the average Joe, and likely many military types also, not having a clue who these individuals are.
(Especially as its not stated if these are a First or Last Initial - Unless you possibly happen to be one of these individuals and have recognized your own paper trail?) 

Its no wonder the public gets the wrong impression of military types when they can be so touchy about the silliest little things.  :cheers:

 

[TN2IC]

I heard about 200 were sold to Sudan... I packed those AFV for shipment.. getting packing grease ready and stuff. Fun fun... so there when your old boats... Sorry to blust anyones bubble.

 

[geo]

AVGPs to Sudan were provided on loan to the UN Mission .... not sold to Sudan.
believe that only a small number have been allowed to travel thru to Sudan. Balance of bvehicles are stuck on the coast with transit country preventing em from being delivered.
The balance of AVGPs are still sitting in the lot. Right next to the fleet of Iltis... which aren't street legal in most provinces.

 

[TN2IC]

Ah right on... now that makes sence. Thanks for the extra info

 

[George Wallace]

An old news article to verify the LOAN:

Canada Sends Armoured Vehicles

for African Union Mission in Sudan

OTTAWA (DND) - Canada is providing 105 armoured vehicles, training and maintenance assistance, and personal protective equipment in support of the efforts of the African Union Mission in Sudan (AMIS) to bring peace and stability to the Darfur region. The loan of the armoured vehicles, which includes the provision of spare parts, is for a period of one year.

An implementation team of up to 80 Canadian Forces personnel will also deploy to Senegal, which will host the vehicle staging base in Dakar, and a training centre in Thiès. The implementation team will provide the African Union (AU) soldiers with training in the operation and maintenance of the armoured vehicles. This training is expected to commence in early August and will be completed in mid-September.

The 100 "Grizzly" general purpose armoured vehicles and five "Husky" armoured recovery vehicles will be moved from Dakar, Senegal, to the Darfur region of Sudan, and are expected to be operational by mid-September. The vehicles will be used by AU troops from Nigeria, Rwanda and Senegal.

"This armoured vehicle loan is an important part of Canada's assistance to the African Union Mission in Sudan," said Defence Minister Bill Graham. "It will provide the AU with some of the key tools they need to safely and effectively conduct peace support operations in the troubled Darfur region."

"Canada is committed to assisting the AU mission and supporting an African-led solution in Darfur," said Foreign Affairs Minister, Pierre Pettigrew. "We have responded to the AU's requests, and are working to provide effective support to increase the stability in Darfur and to ensure the civilian population is protected."

Sea and air transportation of this surplus Canadian Forces (CF) equipment began on July 25. This shipment of equipment and vehicles is in addition to the previous provision of over $1.4M of basic military equipment, including helmets and protective vests. DND has been supporting Canada's efforts to help with the situation in Sudan since September 2004 through the provision of material and advisory staff to the AU. This deployment is known as Operation AUGURAL.

This DND support is part of the overall Government of Canada initiative announced by Prime Minister Martin on 12 May. This $170 million initiative also includes increased diplomatic support, humanitarian assistance and other support to the African Union Mission in Sudan, such as the provision of leased helicopters and transport aircraft.

 

[REDinstaller]

As of the 30 Oct 05, there are about 15 COUGAR DFSV's sitting in Wainwright,AB. These Veh are assigned to CMTC. They appear to be re-furbed; ie. new paint and all tarped up and ready to be issued. you definitely don't take the time to tarp scrap metal.

 

[geo]

not saying they are scrap metal.
they were prolly refurbished last spring & sent out to CMTC for use.... before the decision to stop drop...
If they are still sitting in CMTC after a number of BGs have gone thru .... what are they waiting for would be my question?

 

[Teddy Ruxpin]

As of the 30 Oct 05, there are about 15 COUGAR DFSV's sitting in Wainwright,AB. These Veh are assigned to CMTC. They appear to be re-furbed; ie. new paint and all tarped up and ready to be issued. you definitely don't take the time to tarp scrap metal.

They're probably the "leftovers" from the MTSC fleet.  They were rebuilt a short time before the vehicle was withdrawn and appear newer than the junk sitting at 7 CFSD here in Edmonton.  CMTC has no use for Cougars.

 

[George Wallace]

On another note, they may have been sent there by DDSAL and DHH for dispersal to various Museums and Armouries as Monuments.