Close Area Suppression Weapon (was Company Area Suppression Weapon)

[OldSolduer]

FWIW, I think that a grenade launcher is a useful addition to the toolbox, but not at the loss of the 60mm mortar.

Sometimes our toolboxes aren't big enough.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Sometimes our toolboxes aren't big enough.

You are quite right.

 

[OldSolduer]

You are quite right.

We have far too many tools....yah know?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I feel dirty for setting you up like that...

 

[OldSolduer]

I feel dirty for setting you up like that...

Sorry about that. LOL

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[McG]

MCG-

Fair enough on your comments.  Given an averagely abused or neglected grenade launcher, firing an average belt of ammo on an average day with an average crew, I would like to see what the CEP works out to.  I remain to be convinced that, in practice, it is anywhere near as accurate as claimed.

Scepticism is appropriate now.  The project staff should have verified all the claims before passing the manufacturer's promisses on to the eventual user group, but there are other holes in the analysis so ...

The claims are not impossible but the proof remains to be seen ... and we may be stuck waiting on FCS implementation to know.

FWIW, I think that a grenade launcher is a useful addition to the toolbox, but not at the loss of the 60mm mortar. 

Yes.  They both belong.  There has got to be something else more appropriate to divest ... and it should not necessarily have to be another weapon.

 

[vonGarvin]

While a great weapon that provides great target effects, the AGLS C-16 is not a platoon weapon.  Period.  The bullshit propaganda was just that: propaganda.


Now all the infantry has to do is figure out how to use it.  :

 

[daftandbarmy]

While a great weapon that provides great target effects, the AGLS C-16 is not a platoon weapon.  Period.  The bullshit propaganda was just that: propaganda.


Now all the infantry has to do is figure out how to use it.  :

What happened when the Eryx was introduced? I assume that it sat in the armoury alot....

 

[GK .Dundas]

Scepticism is appropriate now.  The project staff should have verified all the claims before passing the manufacturer's promisses on to the eventual user group, but there are other holes in the analysis so ...

The claims are not impossible but the proof remains to be seen ... and we may be stuck waiting on FCS implementation to know.Yes.  They both belong.  There has got to be something else more appropriate to divest ... and it should not necessarily have to be another weapon.

About divesting ourselves of a procurement officer or two perhaps the geniuses behind the "We just have replace the  ancient decrepit 60 MM mortar with this spiffy new Grenade MG ". 

 

[OldSolduer]

While a great weapon that provides great target effects, the AGLS C-16 is not a platoon weapon.  Period.  The bullshit propaganda was just that: propaganda.


Now all the infantry has to do is figure out how to use it.  :

Good Luck. The Reg Force Bns won't have enough people to man it. So who does that leave?

 

[dangerboy]

Question for anyone in the Infantry School.  Have they published anything with the Tech data and characteristics for this weapon, and if so is it available on the DWAN?

 

[vonGarvin]

Question for anyone in the Infantry School.  Have they published anything with the Tech data and characteristics for this weapon, and if so is it available on the DWAN?

No, nothing yet.  The first batch of ICT (Initial Cadre Training) is still underway.  The stuff has to be evaluated and validated yet prior to publishing.

 

[GnyHwy]

While a great weapon that provides great target effects, the AGLS C-16 is not a platoon weapon.  Period.  The bullshit propaganda was just that: propaganda

My thoughts exactly.  This is Coy Wpn meant for Coy/Cbt Tm attacks in a fire base role.  The fact that it is roled for dismount only does not surprise me.  It wouldn't be the first time we've bought a piece of equipment with half it's capabilities in mind. 

Also, after reading the many posts, I can appreciate the value of the 60 in the dismounted Plt scenario.  Mounted, I would have one up top the LAV for sure.  Nothing a couple wpns techs and a roll of gun tape can't make happen.

 

[Infanteer]

The Israeli Merkavas and Namers (the only real IFV, if you ask me) have 60mm mortars on them, IIRC.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The Israeli Merkavas and Namers (the only real IFV, if you ask me) have 60mm mortars on them, IIRC.

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[a_majoor]

Good Luck. The Reg Force Bns won't have enough people to man it. So who does that leave?

Reserve armoured on top of their G wagons.....

(pulls fire hood over head)

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

The battalion I'm in is pretty good for manpower (missing the NCOs that were not recruited in the early/mid 90s). AGLs should be fine for vehicles as a mix with other weapons, although a couple of simulations we ran through recently with them in place of our 25mm has us referring to them as "confetti cannons" for their utter lack of effect on AFVs.

Anyhoo

 

[vonGarvin]

Vehicle mounted AGLS makes sense, and will be mounted on some vehicles; however, the ones we've purchased thus far (C-16) are all ground-mount. 

 

[Infanteer]

Next you know, we'll be divesting the the C6 GPMG to pay for vehicle mounts....

 

[OldSolduer]

Next you know, we'll be divesting the the C6 GPMG to pay for vehicle mounts....

Infanteer has the good idea fairy been visiting you?