CH-148 Cyclone Progress

[armrdsoul77]

Will the manufacturer be supplying the coins?

 

[KevinB]

My memory fails, but I don’t believe that these blades are bespoke to the Cyclone fleet, no.

So just everything else

 

[SeaKingTacco]

So just everything else

The engines and gearboxes are not particularly exotic. So are alot of other things.

It is, in some cases, how these non-exotic pieces are combined and attached to each other that causes problems.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Is this true? Sounds like a lot of flight hours to qualify for VertRep.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Is this true? Sounds like a lot of flight hours to qualify for VertRep.

Not even remotely close to a true statement.

Vertrep isn’t a qualification. You are shown how to do it and you do it…

 

[Good2Golf]

Is this true? Sounds like a lot of flight hours to qualify for VertRep.

For 1200 pilots? Sure.

 

[KevinB]

Biden takes first ride in new Marine One as Sikorsky wraps delivery

The Sikorsky-made VH-92A Patriot helicopter will replace older presidential transportation helicopters as part of a phased transition.

www.defensenews.com

Based on the S-92A+ so probably doesn’t do the RCAF any good.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Biden takes first ride in new Marine One as Sikorsky wraps delivery

The Sikorsky-made VH-92A Patriot helicopter will replace older presidential transportation helicopters as part of a phased transition.

www.defensenews.com

Based on the S-92A+ so probably doesn’t do the RCAF any good.

I am told that, while externally similar to a Cyclone with (probably) some common parts, it is fundamentally a different helicopter.

It probably hurts Canada, as parts are in short supply. For common parts, if there is only one available, who do you think is going to get it- the USMC or Canada?

 

[KevinB]

I am told that, while externally similar to a Cyclone with (probably) some common parts, it is fundamentally a different helicopter.

It probably hurts Canada, as parts are in short supply. For common parts, if there is only one available, who do you think is going to get it- the USMC or Canada?

Yeah as I understand it, the airframe, avionics, engines, transmission and more are different.
The Cyclones are truly orphans. Which is very unfortunate, as it did have a lot of potential.

 

[OldSolduer]

Yeah as I understand it, the airframe, avionics, engines, transmission and more are different.
The Cyclones are truly orphans. Which is very unfortunate, as it did have a lot of potential.

So why in the hell did we buy it?

 

[FSTO]

So why in the hell did we buy it?

 

[Good2Golf]

So why in the hell did we buy it?

To protect Jean Chrétien’s ego.

 

[KevinB]

So why in the hell did we buy it?

I believe at the time it was expected that the S92 "SuperHawk" was going places, and Canada would be on the leading edge of the curve with it.
Considering it was designed as a SeaKing replacement, and a supplement larger brother to the Blackhawk - it had very good lineage.
However the SeaHawk had already ate most of it's market share - and those who wanted a big MH bird went to the EH-101/Merlin.

As @Good2Golf points out - the RCAF had a fairly comprehensive plan for the EH-101 as a SAR and MH bird (and maybe even a Medium lift Tac bird for the Green AirForce) - until JC said "no Cadillac 'ellicopters"

 

[Maxman1]

So why in the hell did we buy it?

Because it's not a Merlin.

 

[MacNav63]

and Canada would be on the leading edge of the curve with it.

The Canadian disease. And not just in defence procurement, witness Ottawa's LRT...

 

[KevinB]

The Canadian disease. And not just in defence procurement, witness Ottawa's LRT...

No small procurement Military can afford to be in that position.
If you buy a few hundred Helicopters then you are a player - and can leverage the OEM for support, but 24-26 airframes in which one has maxed out the damage clauses - well it doesn't give you a lot of leverage.

SMU SOF can afford to dump money into developmental bleeding edge as the numbers are small and relative dollar values are small compared to things like replacing ones fleet of Martime Helicopters.


LocMart bought Sikorsky from UTC in 2015, and a lot of older SIK folks think that the CH-148 debacle is why it was offloaded.

Honestly if it wasn't for the folding tail - one could fairly easily replace the airframes with H-92A+ and call it a day -- but given what I understand are size constraints from the CFP's that isn't an option -- so to my eye only SeakHawk remains viable (the Merlin is longer than the CH-148 and doesn't have a folding tail)

 

[armrdsoul77]

VH-92 Helicopter Has Finally Flown Its First ‘Marine One’ Mission (Updated)

 

[Colin Parkinson]

No small procurement Military can afford to be in that position.
If you buy a few hundred Helicopters then you are a player - and can leverage the OEM for support, but 24-26 airframes in which one has maxed out the damage clauses - well it doesn't give you a lot of leverage.

SMU SOF can afford to dump money into developmental bleeding edge as the numbers are small and relative dollar values are small compared to things like replacing ones fleet of Martime Helicopters.


LocMart bought Sikorsky from UTC in 2015, and a lot of older SIK folks think that the CH-148 debacle is why it was offloaded.

Honestly if it wasn't for the folding tail - one could fairly easily replace the airframes with H-92A+ and call it a day -- but given what I understand are size constraints from the CFP's that isn't an option -- so to my eye only SeakHawk remains viable (the Merlin is longer than the CH-148 and doesn't have a folding tail)

Pretty sure the Merlin has a folding tail

 

[KevinB]

Pretty sure the Merlin has a folding tail

Interesting and thanks, I could not find any documentation on it - and saw the size of it being significantly larger than the Cyclone and figured it was then a non starter for the MH role in Canada.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The frigates were (more or less) designed with the EH101 in mind….