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mariomike said:
Yes, that was in the link that I provided, thanks. I dont see your point other then you maybe trying to say just because someone else did it in the past that means its ok for these people to do it?
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Yes, that was in the link that I provided, thanks. I dont see your point other then you maybe trying to say just because someone else did it in the past that means its ok for these people to do it?
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What does that even mean? The bias towards the right from the staff here is amazing. Any sort of debate on these boards is met with hurt feelings and ominous comments instead of actual debate, then when you can't deal with the facts that people are telling you - you say vague crap like this to try and do what, scare me?
Not hard to see what people are "maybe trying to say" when they cut and paste specific snippets from an article, haha..get a grip.
recceguy - man, you had the right idea.
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So, in addition to providing sources for statements, maybe create a list of the site's "leftists" and "rightists." :nod:EpicBeardedMan said:
Mike could produce an identifier (similar to "Donor" or "Subscriber"), perhaps suitably mocking -- "leftist SJW" / "right-wing knuckle-dragger." Since fewer and fewer people here seem to be actually reading and trying to understand others' views, you could just look at the label and go "ohhh that's what that asshat believes," then post one's repetitive, accusing response.
It may save time and bandwidth.... while producing the same quality discussion. :deadhorse:
Oh..... that was :sarcasm: in case anyone missed it.
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This ridiculous "this is worse than that" and extreme polarization of our political systems and population will lead to no where good.
We as a people (western society) need to alter course and welcome reasonable discussion and democratic compromise back into our lives or I fear the future is bleak.
We as a people (western society) need to alter course and welcome reasonable discussion and democratic compromise back into our lives or I fear the future is bleak.
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What have I said that hasnt been verified by a google search? If it bothers you that much to hear facts and the odd time I dont post a link with it, whats stopping you from searching it? Anything to get upset about though right?Journeyman said:So, in addition to providing sources for statements, maybe create a list the site's "leftists" and "rightists." :nod:
Mike could produce an identifier (similar to "Donor" or "Subscriber"), perhaps suitably mocking -- "leftist SJW" / "right-wing knuckle-dragger." Since fewer and fewer people here seem to be actually reading and trying to understand others' views, you could just look at the label and go "ohhh that's what that idiot believes," then post one's repetitive, accusing response.
It may save time and bandwidth.... while producing the same quality discussion. :deadhorse:
Oh..... that was :sarcasm: in case anyone missed it.
Its funny that you are being sarcastic but everyone that takes part in Political discussion here knows where others who also discuss politics here stand on the political spectrum, so even though you're trying to be snarky and smug about it, your post actually is truthful in that people have already tagged other members as belonging to either the left or right.
Maybe the labels you used arent accurate as they are offensive but the general idea is there.
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I dont know why people are hung up on "this is worse than that", as you say..what Im talking about is responsibility being placed at the feet of the people who are doing illegal things and getting away with it or being cheered on because of groupthink.
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I wasn't "trying." :-*EpicBeardedMan said:
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EpicBeardedMan said:
EBM,
I didn't intend to quote you and have now removed that quote. This was not aimed at you, but at both sides of the spectrum.
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Journeyman said:
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Ow. My feelings.
Halifax Tar said:
No worries, I don't get offended by discussing politics. Being able to talk about this stuff is a right Canadians have. I agree with what youre saying, I just believe that people should do their own research into certain issues and form their own opinion instead of being sheep. The debates here are the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?!".
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Staff are volunteers and are members of the site. As such staff are free to post their own opinions as any member, and occasionally post warnings. The Site's Guidelines have us all agreeing to not post personal attacks, make derogatory comments ect... Earlier in this discussion a general warning was issued, and there appears the need to refresh memories:
Debate the issues, not each other. Provide references, links if you been asked to do so. These topics are informative, when the conversation is civil.
Debate the issues, not each other. Provide references, links if you been asked to do so. These topics are informative, when the conversation is civil.
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Not everything is personal, or individually targeted. It was a generic comment on the 'discussion'; you merely provided the words that set up the comment.EpicBeardedMan said:
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EpicBeardedMan said:
Nope. It's not bias just because you don't like it. Sorry. Not trying to do anything other than point out that you seem to like putting words into others' posts. Maybe I am way off, maybe you just read their posts that way. Either way, you're seeming to get awfully worked up about it.
The post wasn't vague, it was a suggestion. Take it, or don't.
My completely unbiased take on your posts is that you believe you are posting the only airtight and eloquent argument available. When others argue your points you seem to fight back against how they post their rebuttal, rather than the substance of the post itself (like going right for the "mods are biased" angle)
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But it seems that you do.
If you have a specific complaint, PM me with links to the infractions you see and we'll go from there. Don't debase the conversation by simply hucking accusations and doing nothing further. Help us with the problem as you see it. That's a pretty cheap cop-out and we have a much better reputation than that. Whether you agree with that, or not, is a completely separate matter.
You're 100% right.
However, here you're in a private realm and being hosted by the good graces of Mike Bobbitt. What you have here are privileges. To have the privilege of membership, you abide by the direction of the Staff, you post within the guidelines as laid out by Mike himself, etc. That doesn't mean not discussing certain topics, but if you're given reasonable direction by the staff then you should abide by it. If you have an issue with that, again, contact me and let's sort it out. I can't work on solutions to issues I have zero help with, though.
I do my research before forming my opinions. If my opinion differs from yours what's the big deal? If I choose to enter debate and provide backing for my claims then they are as valid as yours are on the basis of a forum.
Now, if you'd like to continue discussing the topic at hand, it appears there are others willing to do so.
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Best Quote I saw today:
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mariomike said:
Conversely; does that also apply to the Blacks -- They wannabe slaves?
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Good point.George Wallace said:Conversely; does that also apply to the Blacks -- They wannabe slaves?
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To look at both comparisons, thought, I'm guessing there's more folks out there who at least appear to be OK with sharing the old "regalia" and may support some of the associated values - see attached - compared to how many blacks want to be slaves again. #AcceptTheSymbolsAcceptTheBaggage*
* - Yes, this also goes for the knuckleheads who say they oppose oppression while flying the flag of the U.S.S.R. during protests. :facepalm:
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Not to mention the five decades of folks wearing t-shirts sporting Che Guevara's image.
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George Wallace said:
Three points-
1. while the nazis demonstrating were never part of nazi Germany they still identify as nazis and believe in naxi ideology, which makes them nazis in my mind. Same as the KKK folk were not actually confederate veterans (the KKK was originally a legion for confederate vets).
2. The democratic party comment is historically accurate but doesn't reflect the ideological flip between dems and Republicans in the 60's. Therein, I would argue that while technically accurate it's not reflective of the modern reality.
3. Lots of groups identify with ideas or groups they weren't a part of. If blacks can't identify or publically disvuss with slavery because they were never slaves, than can anyone identify or discuss veterans of WW1 or soon WW2? There are no WW1 vets anymore, right?
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EpicBeardedMan said:
Just to clarify: by "towards", do you mean "against", or "in favour of"?
Either way, those of us on the Staff probably cover a reasonable spectrum but we've never conducted a survey and most likely never will. Many seem to have no interest in discussing their political viewpoints.
I tend towards conservative/libertarian. I have been an active member in the Reform Party, Canadian Alliance, and Conservative Party federally. I have never completely agreed with every policy or practice of any of them and will fault them when I disagree. I find much more fault with the Liberal Party, and more consistently so. If they get something right, I will say so, but I see our own Liberals, federally and provincially, and their Democrat cousins to the south, as bastions of corruption, greed, and divisiveness. I think that NDP policies (and socialist policies in general) are disastrous, but I see that party as naively honest rather than malignant. I will defend any of them from attack if I view an attack as unwarranted, erroneous, or unfair.
I am a fan of Donald Trump, but still cringe on many occasions. He is sometimes obnoxious, not always right or accurate, but the alternative would have been much, much worse and I am still glad that he won.
Labels are not always accurate, and are often misapplied. There are policies that I'd like to see us adopt that would be described as "Left" or "socialist", but I consider myself to be "Right". A good idea is a good idea, and a bad idea is a bad idea, regardless of their party of origin.
Somehow, the KKK and other white supremacists are now considered to be "far Right", yet they are the spawn of the Democratic Party. Republicans fought slavery and elected the first black US Senator, Hiram Revels, and first black House members, Jefferson Long and Joseph Rainey, in 1869. It took the Democrats sixty-six years longer to elect their first Congressman, Arthur Mitchell, and just shy of a century longer to elect their first black Senator, Edward Brooke in 1967 (http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/BAIC/Historical-Data/Black-American-Representatives-and-Senators-by-Congress/). Democrats opposed the struggle for equality and civil rights well into the last century http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/black_history.html, and they are still playing racial politics today.
Democrats still had a former Exalted Cyclops (where do they get these names?) of the Ku Klux Klan serving in the US Senate in 2010 - Robert Byrd. Hillary Clinton's words upon his death can be found at http://observer.com/2010/06/hillary-clinton-remembers-friend-and-mentor-robert-byrd/.
History is not simple, and is generally misinterpreted. misunderstood, and misremembered, and misrepresented.
By all means, discuss politics here, but do so within the guidelines.
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