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6 Jan 2020 U.S. Events (Split from A Deeply Fractured US)

Ralph said:
And that's it right there. Opinion based on YouTube, Newsmax, and bad dreams dressed up as "free thought". Everything wrong is the fault of those not in power. All hail the Esteemed Leader who can do no wrong. He brought coal mining back (he didn't). He replaced Obamacare with something better (he did nothing). The middle class was saved (they're paying more in taxes). COVID disappeared (it didn't). He won the election (he didn't, and if James Mattis says he didn't, I'm going to believe him, because I'm a soldier who knows a good leader). Maybe he'll see all the Trumper posts on Army.ca and issue some more Presidential Medals of Freedom. Good luck, y'all!
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One thing for sure, Republican leaders understand the reality.

"If Republicans don't challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again."
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham
 
mariomike said:
One thing for sure, Republican leaders understand the reality.

"If Republicans don't challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again."
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham
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But is that really accurate though? The reality is the Republicans got just under 50% of the vote in this last election, literally just a few votes in many states from winning. This shows they have massive support overall. You take the 'vote trump out' votes out of the mix and it could very easily be a Republican president again.

The tough part for them is where are they going to fall as a party as I know I have been pretty disappointed how they let a narcissistic cowardly excuse of a man make a mockery of their democratic system and support him through the whole process. They have to choose if they want to try and ride this populist wave, or if they are going to go more towards their traditional roots. The Democrats have much the same decision having to compete with their more traditional stances and their socialist counterparts. Realistically there should be 4 political parties there, and hopefully one of these days they realize it.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
But is that really accurate though? The reality is the Republicans got just under 50% of the vote in this last election, literally just a few votes in many states from winning. This shows they have massive support overall. You take the 'vote trump out' votes out of the mix and it could very easily be a Republican president again.
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I believe, ‘yes.’ If one takes Sen. Graham, as a senior Republican senator, at his word, it should be accurate enough to characterize the quandary that the GOP is facing.

I think the point you make is a good one, as to how things could influence future votes, but then so too could that apply for the Democrats...provide meaningful options for the next election that put far less emphasis on the socialist/progressive fringe as well as remove the validity of those who still chant “Lock her up!” and the next election could be an even stronger result for the Dems.

Both parties have significant work to do to ensure greater relevance and representation of the majority of Americans, not just pandering to the fringes on either side of the existing political landscape.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
The reality is the Republicans got just under 50% of the vote in this last election, literally just a few votes in many states from winning.
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Apparently discussion of "this last election" is off limits. So, I will not comment.

However, I suggest you re-check that percentage.
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2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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Eaglelord17 said:
The tough part for them is where are they going to fall as a party as I know I have been pretty disappointed how they let a narcissistic cowardly excuse of a man make a mockery of their democratic system and support him through the whole process.
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Another "hot potato". :)

Eaglelord17 said,
"Realistically there should be 4 political parties there, and hopefully one of these days they realize it."

I think you make a good point. All I've ever hoped of politicians is they tell the truth, obey the law and keep the peace.

Thanks for the post!
 
MJP said:
You are right, it was probably ANTIFA all along...





Or to build on a great post by Weinie we all have our biases and those that lean one way see it in one light and those that lean another way see it in their light. Great podcast by Hidden Brain released on 4 Jan that really highlights how people can be so radically different in seeing different narratives in this whole debacle and see it easily replicated across many other conversations

Regardless this event has filled me with joy in one sense, in there are so many funny tweets out there!
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I said nothing about ANTIFA. Nor did I take a stand on who was involved. That was a ridiculous statement, but when I say something, you accuse me of trolling. So why not be sarcastic to me also.
I was talking specifically about the physical words of the speech. Please quote where he told people to trash the Capitol.
 
brihard said:
And that - “hold on to the constitution” - is exactly what they did in confirming the results of the election, despite a mob out front literally erecting gallows and bellowing “Hang Mile Pence!”, while attacking police in the process of forcing their way into the Capitol. Seeing American flags torn down to be replaced with Trump flags
speaks volumes as to where priorities lied- and it wasn’t in respecting the constitutional processes for selecting the president.
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I never disagreed, nor did I imply or speculate who was at fault for the riot. I'm simply saying that the main message from Democrats and some Republicans, that Trump incited insurrection with that speech is not backed up by the actual words of the speech.
 
"If Republicans don't challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again." Republican Senator Lindsey Graham

Don't confuse Lindsey Graham's opinion with the opinions of people who are not Lindsey Graham. He might even have been talking just for effect, which politicians have been known to do from time to time. The system provided by the constitution and federal laws is exactly the one under which Republican presidents can get elected. The systems provided by states for actual conduct of elections are not homogeneous and might benefit from challenge and change, but those are state systems.
 
Good2Golf said:
Both parties have significant work to do to ensure greater relevance and representation of the majority of Americans, not just pandering to the fringes on either side of the existing political landscape.
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I think the new President should make Covid-19 top priority. New York City vaccinated 5,000,000 people within two weeks in 1947.

( Not to suggest one party takes Covid more seriously than the other. )
 
Fishbone Jones said:
I said nothing about ANTIFA. Nor did I take a stand on who was involved. That was a ridiculous statement, but when I say something, you accuse me of trolling. So why not be sarcastic to me also.
I was talking specifically about the physical words of the speech. Please quote where he told people to trash the Capitol.
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I never said you did! I just said it was probably ANTIFA, how could you have possibly infer that from my post that I was specifically saying you did say that? Can you please quote that?
 
Brad Sallows said:
Don't confuse Lindsey Graham's opinion with the opinions of people who are not Lindsey Graham.
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Guess we will have to wait four years to find out if he was right or wrong.
 
They have to choose if they want to try and ride this populist wave
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Three big shifts are under way. The Democrats face an internal struggle between more-left and less-left factions; the Republicans face an internal struggle between more-right and less-right factions.

The third, and largest, is between parties, with some of the Republican establishment moving left and some of the traditional Democratic "working man" base moving right. Or at least it appears that way from some frames of reference. On the basis of this Pew Research presentation on political polarization (I have linked several times, so why not once more?) I conclude the peasants are more or less where they've always been, and it's the nobles who are doing the moving.

The successful Republican nominee in 2024 will be the one who offers the most credible commitment to the basic idea of America and Americans first, eschews foreign entanglements and deals that aren't good enough for America, and does it while maintaining an even temper and "happy warrior" image.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Three big shifts are under way. The Democrats face an internal struggle between more-left and less-left factions; the Republicans face an internal struggle between more-right and less-right factions.

The third, and largest, is between parties, with some of the Republican establishment moving left and some of the traditional Democratic "working man" base moving right. Or at least it appears that way from some frames of reference. On the basis of this Pew Research presentation on political polarization (I have linked several times, so why not once more?) I conclude the peasants are more or less where they've always been, and it's the nobles who are doing the moving.

The successful Republican nominee in 2024 will be the one who offers the most credible commitment to the basic idea of America and Americans first, eschews foreign entanglements and deals that aren't good enough for America, and does it while maintaining an even temper and "happy warrior" image.
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Imagine a center party (A la Liberals in Canada) in the USA? It would clean up. Leave the AOC Bernies to run the dems, and the Cruz Trump types to run the GOP and have a common sense center party run the country. A nice coalition of Biden, Mitt Romney, and Jeb Bush.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Three big shifts are under way. The Democrats face an internal struggle between more-left and less-left factions; the Republicans face an internal struggle between more-right and less-right factions.

The third, and largest, is between parties, with some of the Republican establishment moving left and some of the traditional Democratic "working man" base moving right. Or at least it appears that way from some frames of reference. On the basis of this Pew Research presentation on political polarization (I have linked several times, so why not once more?) I conclude the peasants are more or less where they've always been, and it's the nobles who are doing the moving.

The successful Republican nominee in 2024 will be the one who offers the most credible commitment to the basic idea of America and Americans first, eschews foreign entanglements and deals that aren't good enough for America, and does it while maintaining an even temper and "happy warrior" image.
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I think you are exactly correct, Brad. I believe that blue-collar conservatism ~ beyond just Reagan Republicans ~ is here and here to stay for a generation or two: it's what gave Boris Johnson his majority in the UK.
 
Altair said:
And the Rust Belt largely went blue again.
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Not all working people are in a union. Instead of saying, "They have it, why don't I?"

Some used to say, "I don't have it, so you shouldn't either!"

Used to hear that a lot. Said it as if working people should be in a race to the bottom with each other.
 
mariomike said:
The blue-collar labour unions - international, national, state-wide and local - endorsed the Democratic 2020 presidential candidate.

List of Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign endorsements from organizations - Wikipedia

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Altair said:
And the Rust Belt largely went blue again.
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Unless someone can try to stretch a link between union support for the Democrats and a riot on Capitol Hill, I'd invite everyone to be back on topic.

-Milnet.ca Staff
 
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