2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Fishbone Jones]

Our unelected, without a mandate caretaker has decreed, unilaterally, to sever ties with the US. He could have waited a month. This only makes matters worse. But perhaps that's the plan.

https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/canada-pm-carney-declares-canadas-traditional-ties-with-us-are-over-amid-auto-tariff-threatsnbsp/3791037/

"We have met the enemy and he is us"

 

[Quirky]

Our unelected, without a mandate caretaker has decreed, unilaterally, to sever ties with the US. He could have waited a month. This only makes matters worse. But perhaps that's the plan.

https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/canada-pm-carney-declares-canadas-traditional-ties-with-us-are-over-amid-auto-tariff-threatsnbsp/3791037/

"We have met the enemy and he is us"

“The old relationship we had with the United States, based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation, is over,”

Things about to get spicy! Carney forgetting the US essentially protects Canadian sovereignty, but that won't matter if war breaks out and Russia or China come knocking. Carney and his circus will go home to Europe to escape.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Our unelected, without a mandate caretaker has decreed, unilaterally, to sever ties with the US. He could have waited a month. This only makes matters worse. But perhaps that's the plan.

https://www.financialexpress.com/world-news/canada-pm-carney-declares-canadas-traditional-ties-with-us-are-over-amid-auto-tariff-threatsnbsp/3791037/

"We have met the enemy and he is us"

Until he didn't ....

Trump says he and Carney 'agree on many things' during 'extremely productive' first call

U.S. President Donald Trump says he and Prime Minister Mark Carney agreed "on many things" during an "extremely productive" first call between both leaders with new American tariffs looming.

nationalpost.com

Archived link to NP article

Prime Minister Carney speaks with President of the United States Donald J. Trump

The leaders agreed to begin comprehensive negotiations about a new economic and security relationship immediately following the election.

www.pm.gc.ca

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114240691141784921

Let's see what happens next ...

 

[brihard]

Our unelected, without a mandate caretaker has decreed, unilaterally, to sever ties with the US.

Lol, that’s not remotely true. He accurately described that the nature of that relationship, including its stability and predictability, have changed. Of course he could just jam his head in the sand and pretend that old friendships Trump the new transactional way of doing things, but that would be both inaccurate and stupid.

He called a spade a spade. In part to tell Trump and his administration “fine, we see how it is, if you want this to be transactionala d reciprocal then we’ll approach it on that basis”, and partly to give Canadians a wake up call that some foreign policy will have to be handled differently from here on in because the dynamic is no longer what it was. No matter who wins the election, that remains true.

Anything Trump says is worth absolutely nothing in and of itself. So, notwithstanding how encouraging his response would be if we heard it from someone whose word was worth anything, Canada still needs to be prepared for trade instability and simple geopolitical bullying. Carney appears to have his head properly wrapped around that fact.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I don’t believe he should be making these decisions because of the Caretaker Convention.
Convince me otherwise.

 

[suffolkowner]

what a decisions did he make?

I don’t believe he should be making these decisions because of the Caretaker Convention.
Convince me otherwise.

 

[brihard]

I don’t believe he should be making these decisions because of the Caretaker Convention.
Convince me otherwise.

Ok, I’ll stake a stab at it. First, he didn’t make any particular decision in saying that. He described what Trump has already caused to be. While Canada sits in a weird little election bubble for the next five weeks, the world keeps turning. We vote April 28th, but auto plants and other manufacturers could shut down due to tariffs next week. The caretaker convention does restrict government to routine, non-political ‘business as usual’ during the election, but the unusual and impactful external events must still be dealt with. Everyone who was calling for an “election now!” knew that that would mean government still needing to engage in some challenging foreign relations firing the election period. It’s a play, not a movie; nobody gets to push pause to piss.

The alternative would have been for the government to NOT seek a mandate at the earliest opportunity, and to make some sort of deal with the NDP to maintain confidence in the interest of having Parliament sit through what is likely to be a prolonged crisis. In the balance, I think there was a strong consensus on this site, myself included and I think you as well, that an election ASAP was best for Canada. Some allowance still needs to be made for the government to stick handle a profound foreign relations crisis imposed by the Americans during the time it takes to do that.

 

[MilEME09]

Oh look i am not the only one sounding the alarm on his campaign

‘The wheels are off’: Senior Conservatives think the Poilievre campaign needs a reset - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative sources tell Global News that Poilievre’s team is isolated and refusing to bring in outside voices as poll numbers continue to slump.

globalnews.ca

 

[brihard]

Oh look i am not the only one sounding the alarm on his campaign

‘The wheels are off’: Senior Conservatives think the Poilievre campaign needs a reset - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative sources tell Global News that Poilievre’s team is isolated and refusing to bring in outside voices as poll numbers continue to slump.

globalnews.ca

April 28th is a long way away. Think of any five week period in Canadian politics since the start of November, and the start and end probably look fairly or extremely different. In just four weeks Trudeau stabbed Freeland in the back, she pulled the knife out and stabbed him in the face, and Trudeau resigned. In the same amount of time, Trump declared a trade war, Carney was chosen as the new Liberal leader, and the polls flipped upside down.

Campaigns matter. Carney has a solid edge right now, but he has to keep it.

 

[RangerRay]

Oh look i am not the only one sounding the alarm on his campaign

‘The wheels are off’: Senior Conservatives think the Poilievre campaign needs a reset - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative sources tell Global News that Poilievre’s team is isolated and refusing to bring in outside voices as poll numbers continue to slump.

globalnews.ca

Jesus Christ. The wheels don’t normally fall off the bus this soon. But based on what I’ve heard of the extreme tight inner circle around Poilievre, I shouldn’t be that surprised.

I thought we were all supposed to know that groupthink is bad and groups need Devil’s Advocates to red-team shit.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Good read.

Tim Thurley: Canada's civilian gun culture should be part of our defence plan

An armed and trained citizenry, and a thriving weapons industry, are essential parts of any national defence strategy.

www.readtheline.ca

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Ok, I’ll stake a stab at it. First, he didn’t make any particular decision in saying that. He described what Trump has already caused to be. While Canada sits in a weird little election bubble for the next five weeks, the world keeps turning. We vote April 28th, but auto plants and other manufacturers could shut down due to tariffs next week. The caretaker convention does restrict government to routine, non-political ‘business as usual’ during the election, but the unusual and impactful external events must still be dealt with. Everyone who was calling for an “election now!” knew that that would mean government still needing to engage in some challenging foreign relations firing the election period. It’s a play, not a movie; nobody gets to push pause to piss.

The alternative would have been for the government to NOT seek a mandate at the earliest opportunity, and to make some sort of deal with the NDP to maintain confidence in the interest of having Parliament sit through what is likely to be a prolonged crisis. In the balance, I think there was a strong consensus on this site, myself included and I think you as well, that an election ASAP was best for Canada. Some allowance still needs to be made for the government to stick handle a profound foreign relations crisis imposed by the Americans during the time it takes to do that.

That works.

 

[brihard]

Jesus Christ. The wheels don’t normally fall off the bus this soon. But based on what I’ve heard of the extreme tight inner circle around Poilievre, I shouldn’t be that surprised.

I thought we were all supposed to know that groupthink is bad and groups need Devil’s Advocates to red-team shit.

Fortunately for the CPC it’s so early in the campaign that there’s tons of time for a turnaround. Carney will probably pick up/reinforce some support for today’s engagement with Trump, but that guy could completely upend it in a tween tonight, so the perception of ‘handling Trump’ is subject to frequent and unpredictable reset- though as current PM Carney has an edge there.

Poilievre still has a fair bit of time and a bit of space to pivot. This is by no means a lock for the Liberals. A couple points to the NDP, a couple points to the Bloc, and a couple points to CPC could make big differences in various ridings.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Oh look i am not the only one sounding the alarm on his campaign

‘The wheels are off’: Senior Conservatives think the Poilievre campaign needs a reset - National | Globalnews.ca

Conservative sources tell Global News that Poilievre’s team is isolated and refusing to bring in outside voices as poll numbers continue to slump.

globalnews.ca

Polls aside, he's getting thousands of people showing up for his rallies. So please excuse me while I try suss out the disparity. Could he make some subtle changes to the campaign? I suppose, but those numbers can't be ignored. One person making judgment Identified himself. That’s good. The other commentators, who don't appear to have anything to do with the campaign stayed anonymous. I have trouble with those that hide behind anonymity, when stating opinion. It seldom quells my gut when media uses anonymous sources, especially when it's nothing more than a simple opinion that carries no weight. It might as well be the mail kid dropping stuff at the writer's desk.

They remind me of the recent election in the US. Trump will never be president. Trump's campaigns are falling apart. Nobody will vote for a felon. The republicans are toast. Our polls show Harris higher than Trump (and those polls remained in favour of Harris, right up to the vote). Then all the predictions crashed and burned. Same as when he went against Clinton.

I vote my candidates on things that I see and hear from them. Things I know about them and the direction they want to take me. Not polls, not self proclaimed experts and certainly not from a bribed and possibly biased media, who are quoting an anonymous source, who is repeating something they heard, from someone else that isn’t identified.

Poe was right when he said "Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

 

[MilEME09]

Polls aside, he's getting thousands of people showing up for his rallies. So please excuse me while I try suss out the disparity. Could he make some subtle changes to the campaign? I suppose, but those numbers can't be ignored. One person making judgment Identified himself. That’s good. The other commentators, who don't appear to have anything to do with the campaign stayed anonymous. I have trouble with those that hide behind anonymity, when stating opinion. It seldom quells my gut when media uses anonymous sources, especially when it's nothing more than a simple opinion that carries no weight. It might as well be the mail kid dropping stuff at the writer's desk.

They remind me of the recent election in the US. Trump will never be president. Trump's campaigns are falling apart. Nobody will vote for a felon. The republicans are toast. Our polls show Harris higher than Trump (and those polls remained in favour of Harris, right up to the vote). Then all the predictions crashed and burned. Same as when he went against Clinton.

I vote my candidates on things that I see and hear from them. Things I know about them and the direction they want to take me. Not polls, not self proclaimed experts and certainly not from a bribed and possibly biased media, who are quoting an anonymous source, who is repeating something they heard, from someone else that isn’t identified.

Poe was right when he said "Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

Both parties always take in thousands, it's not surprising but not a litmus test of voting intention because majority are already voting for the CPC. Blind polls have a margin of error for a reason. CPC support is also heavy in the west, low voters turn out tends to favour's the liberals. There's a ton of factors at play come election day.

 

[HavokFour]

So, about that whole Brookfield thing with Carney Poilievre. Time to pivot to something else?

Pierre Poilievre holds investments in Brookfield — the same company he attacks Mark Carney over

Poilievre and the Conservatives have hammered Carney over his former role as chair of Brookfield Asset Management, a major part of the global investment firm, Brookfield Corporation.

www.thestar.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/2qLzk

 

[brihard]

So, about that whole Brookfield thing with Carney Poilievre. Time to pivot to something else?

Pierre Poilievre holds investments in Brookfield — the same company he attacks Mark Carney over

Poilievre and the Conservatives have hammered Carney over his former role as chair of Brookfield Asset Management, a major part of the global investment firm, Brookfield Corporation.

www.thestar.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/2qLzk

Shit, I have holdings in Brookfield through some mutual funds. Anyone with exposure to Canadian large cap equities does. Hell, I bet the CPP fund holds some meaning we literally all have some interest in it indirectly.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Both parties always take in thousands, it's not surprising but not a litmus test of voting intention because majority are already voting for the CPC. Blind polls have a margin of error for a reason. CPC support is also heavy in the west, low voters turn out tends to favour's the liberals. There's a ton of factors at play come election day.

Singh and Carney haven't been holding rallies with thousands in attendance.

Poliviere just held one in Hamilton with an estimated attendance reported at around 4,500. Singh held one at the same time in the same city and managed about 60 people including staff.

Poliviere's rally in Surrey estimated at 5,000. Toronto 2,500 and had to turn away hundreds due to capacity.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Shit, I have holdings in Brookfield through some mutual funds. Anyone with exposure to Canadian large cap equities does. Hell, I bet the CPP fund holds some meaning we literally all have some interest in it indirectly.

Exactly, thats why the first thing I say to folks with their "corporations are evil, tax them to death, etc " is 'do you have rrsp's?' Well then,.....

 

[RangerRay]

Well this is totally unacceptable.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-paul-chiang-bounty-joe-tay-conservative-1.7496751