2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[RangerRay]

Then we need some form of recourse when judges release violent offenders back into the community only to do harm again.

I agree. Judges need to be accountable to the public when they make bone stupid decisions. I have no idea what that looks like, and I’d hate to see it become another way they look over their shoulder instead of applying the law fairly.

Maybe we need something like confirmation hearings for SCC justices? I wouldn’t like to see it become another circus like it has down south, but we should be able to see candidates explain their application of the law and where they stand on all things judicial.

 

[suffolkowner]

I agree. Judges need to be accountable to the public when they make bone stupid decisions. I have no idea what that looks like, and I’d hate to see it become another way they look over their shoulder instead of applying the law fairly.

Maybe we need something like confirmation hearings for SCC justices? I wouldn’t like to see it become another circus like it has down south, but we should be able to see candidates explain their application of the law and where they stand on all things judicial.

its a slippery slope. And we are constrained by past precedent. But also how much more do you want to support the states infringement on the individual?

Thats why id like to see some numbers on the recidivism for those out on bail, paroled etc.

 

[OldSolduer]

its a slippery slope. And we are constrained by past precedent. But also how much more do you want to support the states infringement on the individual?

Thats why id like to see some numbers on the recidivism for those out on bail, paroled etc.

OK just an anecdote: When you are arrested five times in one night and you are released EVERY time.....

Or just read the newspapers and see how many are released on a PTA.

 

[GK .Dundas]

This has

 

[Remius]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890800375407542361

Ah the Beaverton, lol.

 

[brihard]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890800375407542361

Ah the Beaverton, lol.

It does sound like, at least to an extent, he took some swings yesterday. Credit where it’s due. Granted he has no other viable political choice, but still.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I still think the spread between PP and Carney isn't what's being reported. Especially after watching reports of the attendance at the PP rally on Saturday being reported.
I feel like we're watching a replay of the run up to Trump’s election.
Harris was over reported and carried by the MSM and the polls as almost tied with Trump. Nothing was further from the truth.
Trump was under reported and decimated in the polls to a two and three point lead over Harris. Again, nothing was further from the truth.
We have the exact same thing happening here right now.
The MSM is campaigning for Carney. He's on the news wherever he is and what he's doing.
I've seen little of freeland and nothing of the rest.
His poll numbers are just too hard to believe.

Answer a question for yourself.
Where can an outsider, land on the scene and get his recognition? A few lackluster interviews, where he is advocating a stronger status quo, but in bafflegab and double talk. Campaigning in the US with conciliatory talk. He recently moved Brookefields offices to New York from Canada. He is investing in US coal mines. He's doing everything, as a business owner, that Trump is recommending and asking. Then taking the opposite tact in Canada.

How in the name of all things intelligent, does this kind of person show up and close the gap with the most popular opposition politician, we have seen in a very long time. An opponent who was polling as the GOAT.

How does an almost unknown outsider close that gap, to almost even according to some polls, in a three week period?

They don't. Not without some fuckery and shenanigans from the polls and the press.

From ABACUS

Abacus Data Poll: Conservatives lead by 19 as Liberal vote share rises at the expense of the NDP - Abacus Data

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abacusdata.ca

From EKOS

EKOS Politics

www.ekospolitics.com

Also, from the same EKOS page. On carney v. freeland. Only a 7 point lead. Yet the MSM, hardly mentions freeland. Why would that be?

"When Mark Carney is named as Liberal leader and voters are asked how they would vote in a spring election, 45% would vote Conservative, 28% Liberal and 12% NDP. When Freeland is the leader, the Conservative lead is much larger, with the Conservatives at 45% and the Liberals at 21%. The NDP does much better with Freeland as leader at 20%."

The conservative lead is NOT much larger as the snip suggests. The numbers posted both have the CPC at 45%, whether carney or freeland.

This is why I'm distrustful of polls. It's also why I am not getting wrapped around the axle about the Canonization of Saint Mark of Net Zero.

The more Canadians see of him, the more they see trudeau on steroids.

The liberal leader debate will be both informative and entertaining at,the same time.

 

[FSTO]

I think the chattering classes are overestimating the influence of Maple Maga. Just like they did with the PPC.

 

[RangerRay]

He’s in a bit of a tough spot. He needs to win over people who voted Liberal in the last three elections around Toronto and other urban centres, but a not insignificant number of their supporters like the Mango Mussolini to the south and cheer what he’s doing.

Personally, I think he needs to cut loose the PPC types. They might affect the outcome in a couple of seats, but they pale in comparison to the seats he needs to gain who are looking for a “grown-up” who knows money. Poilievre looked pretty good against Trudeau. His shine loses his lustre when placed next to Carney, who for now, many people perceive as a competent grown-up.

Rafe Mair was a former Socred cabinet in B.C. who became a long time talk radio host in Vancouver. He had no fear of viciously skewering politicians of all stripes when he felt they needed to answer some tough questions. He had a number of “Rafe’s Political Axioms” that he liked to quote, but one stood out to me:

“In politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If you’re opponent is a 2, you just have to be a 3 or a 4”.

Up until now, Trudeau was a 1 and Poilievre was a 5. Now compared to a superficially known Carney, he appears to be a 5 up against a 7 to some/many people. And in uncertain times, people want a grown-up in charge.

Poilievre will need to get serious now that he’s facing someone who is now perceived as more competent by voters he needs to win.

 

[Remius]

He’s in a bit of a tough spot. He needs to win over people who voted Liberal in the last three elections around Toronto and other urban centres, but a not insignificant number of their supporters like the Mango Mussolini to the south and cheer what he’s doing.

Personally, I think he needs to cut loose the PPC types. They might affect the outcome in a couple of seats, but they pale in comparison to the seats he needs to gain who are looking for a “grown-up” who knows money. Poilievre looked pretty good against Trudeau. His shine loses his lustre when placed next to Carney, who for now, many people perceive as a competent grown-up.

Rafe Mair was a former Socred cabinet in B.C. who became a long time talk radio host in Vancouver. He had no fear of viciously skewering politicians of all stripes when he felt they needed to answer some tough questions. He had a number of “Rafe’s Political Axioms” that he liked to quote, but one stood out to me:

“In politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If you’re opponent is a 2, you just have to be a 3 or a 4”.

Up until now, Trudeau was a 1 and Poilievre was a 5. Now compared to a superficially known Carney, he appears to be a 5 up against a 7 to some/many people. And in uncertain times, people want a grown-up in charge.

Poilievre will need to get serious now that he’s facing someone who is now perceived as more competent by voters he needs to win.

Pretty much what Nanos said on the Kapelos show today. Carney is being perceived as the grown up. His hope is that the Carney Factor might force PP to move closer to the middle and Canadians who are generally centrists can have real choices.

 

[Quirky]

Poilievre will need to get serious now that he’s facing someone who is now perceived as more competent by voters he needs to win.

The issue isn’t PP, it’s the moronic Canadian voters.

 

[AmmoTech90]

Now compared to a superficially known Carney,

He may be superficially know, but he is know as the person who headed the BoC during the recovery from the 07/08 financial crisis. So people have a favourable memory of him regardless of how much influence he had on the recovery.
He is associated with good financial times.

 

[Remius]

He may be superficially know, but he is know as the person who headed the BoC during the recovery from the 07/08 financial crisis. So people have a favourable memory of him regardless of how much influence he had on the recovery.
He is associated with good financial times.

There is a reason all the CPC attack ads are on him. They aren’t even looking at Freeland

 

[Good2Golf]

There is a reason all the CPC attack ads are on him. They aren’t even looking at Freeland

Precisely!!

That’s also why no one will see it coming when Ruby comes right up the centre and becomes our next PM!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

He’s in a bit of a tough spot. He needs to win over people who voted Liberal in the last three elections around Toronto and other urban centres, but a not insignificant number of their supporters like the Mango Mussolini to the south and cheer what he’s doing.

Personally, I think he needs to cut loose the PPC types. They might affect the outcome in a couple of seats, but they pale in comparison to the seats he needs to gain who are looking for a “grown-up” who knows money. Poilievre looked pretty good against Trudeau. His shine loses his lustre when placed next to Carney, who for now, many people perceive as a competent grown-up.

Rafe Mair was a former Socred cabinet in B.C. who became a long time talk radio host in Vancouver. He had no fear of viciously skewering politicians of all stripes when he felt they needed to answer some tough questions. He had a number of “Rafe’s Political Axioms” that he liked to quote, but one stood out to me:

“In politics, you don’t have to be a 9 or a 10. If you’re opponent is a 2, you just have to be a 3 or a 4”.

Up until now, Trudeau was a 1 and Poilievre was a 5. Now compared to a superficially known Carney, he appears to be a 5 up against a 7 to some/many people. And in uncertain times, people want a grown-up in charge.

Poilievre will need to get serious now that he’s facing someone who is now perceived as more competent by voters he needs to win.

As I said above, I don't think the gap is as close as the press is pushing. PP just went into the heart of liberal territory Saturday and pulled off a Trump like rally. People standing outside, watching the rally on TV, because they ran out of room. An audience of diversity, compared to Carney's old white people audiences. His message was strong and overwhelmingly received. That in itself is telling. Everytime carney talks, he loses people. His words are shallow, confusing and guarded. He is afraid to fully commit to ideas, but does great in talking wide circles around them.

I don't think PP is in trouble at all, except in the eyes of trudeau's bribed propaganda machine, who are changing allegiance of leaders, but not party. PP is still polling high and in comfortable majority territory.

 

[Remius]

Precisely!!

That’s also why no one will see it coming when Ruby comes right up the centre and becomes our next PM!
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ruby lol.

That is why conservatives are so scared of Carney that they will do what they can to see her elected.

I have no doubt that attempt will be made. The LPC will only have itself to blame for that one though.

 

[Remius]

I don't think PP is in trouble at all, except in the eyes of trudeau's bribed propaganda machine, who are changing allegiance of leaders, but not party. PP is still polling high and in comfortable majority territory.

he absolutely is still way ahead

But he is changing his messaging and approach for a reason. I actually think his internal polling is showing a closer race than is being observed from the outside.

 

[RangerRay]

The issue isn’t PP, it’s the moronic Canadian voters.

And that kind of an attitude will guarantee a Liberal victory.

Sounds like an officer who would blame his troops for not getting the job done.

 

[FSTO]

And that kind of an attitude will guarantee a Liberal victory.

Sounds like an officer who would blame his troops for not getting the job done.

The people are always right, even when they are wrong.

 

[Remius]

The people are always right, even when they are wrong.

And most of those people some call morons are still backing the CPC. They still have a commanding lead.