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ObedientiaZelum said:
Yes. Reduces grounds for appeal in the future.
04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
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Yes. Reduces grounds for appeal in the future.
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ObedientiaZelum said:
They're standard questions. They have to ensure there's no chance of appeal on a Charter violation.
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kratz said:
Thanks. But, may, is still not will. I won't hold my breath.
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75 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally, a fit and proper sentence for murder. Consecutive, not concurrent. 
Does it even make sense to hand out a 75 year sentence? This is without a chance at parole? Just shoot him. Locking him up for life, not even bothering with rehab, and taxpayer's money until he dies of old age. Yes, he took 3 lives and there should be a heavy price to pay?
Sentences like this make a good argument to bring back capital punishment.
Sentences like this make a good argument to bring back capital punishment.
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Brihard said:
May 12, 2016
RCMP pleads not guilty on Labour Code charges in Moncton rampage deaths
http://www.680news.com/2016/05/12/rcmp-pleads-not-guilty-on-labour-code-charges-in-moncton-rampage-deaths/
The RCMP has pleaded not guilty to four charges of Labour Code violations stemming from the force’s response to a 2014 shooting rampage in Moncton, N.B., that left three Mounties dead and two others wounded.
The trial is scheduled to begin April 17, 2017.
‘Relief’ after RCMP found guilty of labour code violation in deadly Moncton shooting
29 September, 2017
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/rcmp-found-guilty-on-one-count-of-labour-code-violation-in-deadly-2014-shooting/article36431250/
Seconds after Provincial Court Justice Leslie Jackson announced his finding that the RCMP are guilty of failing to properly equip officers against a shooter that killed three of them in June, 2014, widow Angela Gévaudan let out an audible gasp of relief.
Ms. Gévaudan's shoulders shook as she bowed her head and began to cry; the two other widows who lost their husbands during a shooting rampage in Moncton, N.B., Nadine Larche and Rachael Ross, also had emotional reactions as they heard Justice Jackson explain that he deemed the RCMP to have violated the Canadian Labour Code.
The federal police force was charged with four counts of violating the law designed to protect the health and safety of workers on the job. The charges stemmed from the rampage of now-convicted murderer Justin Bourque. One count was stayed and the force was found not guilty of the two violations that related to the training of members and supervisors. But the most central charge – the one that holds the RCMP accountable for failing to supply front-line officers with the right guns even though they knew safety was at risk – was where Justice Jackson found guilt.
This was the charge that mattered most to the three widows who sat struggling with their emotions as friends draped arms around them, while the buzzing courtroom emptied out.
Asked whether she was happy with the verdict, Ms. Larche, whose husband was Constable Doug Larche, was careful to say she is "satisfied."
"My hope really is that the silver lining of all of this is that RCMP members that are serving now and in the future will be better equipped and that they'll be safer when they're doing their job," she said. "I felt all along that if RCMP members would have had the proper equipment … the father of my children would not have died."
Ms. Ross, whose husband was Constable Dave Ross, said the verdict means her husband "didn't die in vain. Hopefully something like this won't happen again."
On the steps of the courthouse, in view of a riverside memorial to the fallen officers, Ms. Gévaudan, a former civilian member of the force who worked as a dispatcher, said the trial was "damaging" to the civilian and police community in Moncton. Many remain stung that the RCMP chose to challenge the charges in court – forcing a trial many found painful – rather than admit fault.
"It's very damaging to everyone who wears a uniform. It's damaging to the civilian members, it's damaging to the memory of those who sacrificed themselves in the protection of others," Ms. Gévaudan said. "It breaks the trust. I think the members are still very hurt and feel unsupported. And I think that needs to be addressed."
Aside from the force's lawyers, no representative for the Mounties was in court on Friday.
While Justice Jackson did not discuss reasons for his decision, he released a 64-page judgment. In it, he criticized senior Mounties for paying "lip service" to officer safety and for allowing financial concerns to slow the roll-out of long-range carbine rifles when they knew that without them, members faced increased risks. "Front-line officers were left exposed to potential grievous bodily harm and/or death while responding to active shooter events for years while the carbine rollout limped along," Justice Jackson wrote. "The rollout took too long."
Carbine rifles were first approved by RCMP executives in 2011. When Mr. Bourque struck in 2014, though, no one in Moncton had been trained to use them.
"A real concern for the health and safety of front-line members responding to active shooter events would have seen a rollout of the patrol carbine prioritized and not left to the [vagaries] of available funding," Justice Jackson wrote.
In a statement, the RCMP said they are reviewing the decision and considering next steps. "The health and safety of our employees continues to be the top priority of the RCMP," the statement read. It went on to say that the force is continuing to implement the recommendations made in the MacNeil report, produced after the Moncton shootings. A key recommendation made was that the carbine-rifle project be expedited.
A sentencing hearing is scheduled for November. The RCMP faces a maximum fine of $1-million.
Crown prosecutor Paul Adams would not say whether his office will seek full damages at the hearing. He did say that Justice Jackson's decision "broke some new ground."
"Organizations like the RCMP will have to take it into account when they approach officer-safety issues in the future," he said, adding: "It has a chance to have a positive impact."
The full written decision can be found here. I'm about to start reading through it.
29 September, 2017
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/rcmp-found-guilty-on-one-count-of-labour-code-violation-in-deadly-2014-shooting/article36431250/
Seconds after Provincial Court Justice Leslie Jackson announced his finding that the RCMP are guilty of failing to properly equip officers against a shooter that killed three of them in June, 2014, widow Angela Gévaudan let out an audible gasp of relief.
Ms. Gévaudan's shoulders shook as she bowed her head and began to cry; the two other widows who lost their husbands during a shooting rampage in Moncton, N.B., Nadine Larche and Rachael Ross, also had emotional reactions as they heard Justice Jackson explain that he deemed the RCMP to have violated the Canadian Labour Code.
The federal police force was charged with four counts of violating the law designed to protect the health and safety of workers on the job. The charges stemmed from the rampage of now-convicted murderer Justin Bourque. One count was stayed and the force was found not guilty of the two violations that related to the training of members and supervisors. But the most central charge – the one that holds the RCMP accountable for failing to supply front-line officers with the right guns even though they knew safety was at risk – was where Justice Jackson found guilt.
This was the charge that mattered most to the three widows who sat struggling with their emotions as friends draped arms around them, while the buzzing courtroom emptied out.
Asked whether she was happy with the verdict, Ms. Larche, whose husband was Constable Doug Larche, was careful to say she is "satisfied."
"My hope really is that the silver lining of all of this is that RCMP members that are serving now and in the future will be better equipped and that they'll be safer when they're doing their job," she said. "I felt all along that if RCMP members would have had the proper equipment … the father of my children would not have died."
Ms. Ross, whose husband was Constable Dave Ross, said the verdict means her husband "didn't die in vain. Hopefully something like this won't happen again."
On the steps of the courthouse, in view of a riverside memorial to the fallen officers, Ms. Gévaudan, a former civilian member of the force who worked as a dispatcher, said the trial was "damaging" to the civilian and police community in Moncton. Many remain stung that the RCMP chose to challenge the charges in court – forcing a trial many found painful – rather than admit fault.
"It's very damaging to everyone who wears a uniform. It's damaging to the civilian members, it's damaging to the memory of those who sacrificed themselves in the protection of others," Ms. Gévaudan said. "It breaks the trust. I think the members are still very hurt and feel unsupported. And I think that needs to be addressed."
Aside from the force's lawyers, no representative for the Mounties was in court on Friday.
While Justice Jackson did not discuss reasons for his decision, he released a 64-page judgment. In it, he criticized senior Mounties for paying "lip service" to officer safety and for allowing financial concerns to slow the roll-out of long-range carbine rifles when they knew that without them, members faced increased risks. "Front-line officers were left exposed to potential grievous bodily harm and/or death while responding to active shooter events for years while the carbine rollout limped along," Justice Jackson wrote. "The rollout took too long."
Carbine rifles were first approved by RCMP executives in 2011. When Mr. Bourque struck in 2014, though, no one in Moncton had been trained to use them.
"A real concern for the health and safety of front-line members responding to active shooter events would have seen a rollout of the patrol carbine prioritized and not left to the [vagaries] of available funding," Justice Jackson wrote.
In a statement, the RCMP said they are reviewing the decision and considering next steps. "The health and safety of our employees continues to be the top priority of the RCMP," the statement read. It went on to say that the force is continuing to implement the recommendations made in the MacNeil report, produced after the Moncton shootings. A key recommendation made was that the carbine-rifle project be expedited.
A sentencing hearing is scheduled for November. The RCMP faces a maximum fine of $1-million.
Crown prosecutor Paul Adams would not say whether his office will seek full damages at the hearing. He did say that Justice Jackson's decision "broke some new ground."
"Organizations like the RCMP will have to take it into account when they approach officer-safety issues in the future," he said, adding: "It has a chance to have a positive impact."
The full written decision can be found here. I'm about to start reading through it.
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It's too bad they can't force them to spend the $1M on fixing the problem, rather then a fine (which really is just an electronic shuffle of non-existent funds anyway).
Really don't understand what all the delays are about; if we can make however many recruits a year competent enough to hit a target, do all the weapon drills and field strip it in the dark while hammering away at them in basic (even uncoordinated ones like me), this should be a pretty easy task for police that are already familiar with firearms.
Really don't understand what all the delays are about; if we can make however many recruits a year competent enough to hit a target, do all the weapon drills and field strip it in the dark while hammering away at them in basic (even uncoordinated ones like me), this should be a pretty easy task for police that are already familiar with firearms.
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Navy_Pete said:
Since one of the problems that the RCMP raised in defending its indefensible position was a lack of funds to buy carbines and body armour, a fine would at best be counterproductive.
I also question whether one can "make" them to fix the problem. When one reads the decision it's abundantly clear that the problem here was (and remains) a senior leadership that didn't give enough of a sh*t to assign the resources necessary to the problem once it was made clear to them that it existed (much less significantly earlier when they should have appreciated that the problem existed) in order to deliver a relevant and timely solution. These bozos didn't (and still don't) pay enough attention to the issues that their front line cops have to deal with. They are not proactive but dismally reactive. Instead they seem to spend their time on bureaucratic games within Ottawa and abrogate their role as leaders in favour of avoiding developing a vision for the future and making hard decisions by lengthy cover-your-ass consensus building processes.
I'm not a supporter of bringing in outside civilian leadership--because I'm sure that would make the situation worse--but the RCMP senior leadership needs a major shakeup. :2c:
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FJAG said:
I think there's a reason one of the senior Mounties who was actually pushing hardest to see necessary things happen is no longer a Mountie, and is instead now chief of Edmonton Police...
Commissioner Paulson's statements on the stand during the trial were absolutely appalling. He sold members down the river.
As a perhaps final chapter on this awful story- tomorrow Her Excellency Julie Payette will be decorating ten members, three posthumously, with the Medal of Bravery for their actions during the shooting. At least that I know of is a former CAF member.
https://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=17130&lan=eng
https://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=17130&lan=eng
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