2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Good2Golf]

I don’t buy it.

It could have been done immediately, quietly and without the “I stand behind him” comment. That last part is the tell.

Both this and FSTO’s post about diaspora’s perceptions can be true at the same time.

I agree that it shouldn’t have been as long nor as accepting as it was. I think Carney shouldn’t have found the issue ‘resolved, let’s move on.’

 

[Jarnhamar]

That’s probably more CSIS territory. Lots of people have ‘connections’ but haven’t committed offences, and if there isn’t criminality, that’s not RCMP territory. If CSIS became aware of potential criminality and had information they could disclose to RCMP, that’s likely where a referral for criminal investigation would happen.

I figured there might be grounds to investigate something to do with the SOIA.

Nonchalantly "joking" about turning someone in to the CCP for a bounty strikes me as a certain level of familiarity and comfort.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Chiang is out...

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/paul-chiang-liberal-candidate-withdraws-election-2025-1.7498693

It doesn’t change the fact Carney wouldn’t fire him and stood by supporting him.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

(People mention the modern CPC isn't the same party they grew up with. But holy hell, the NDP is looking just a wee bit different than it did when Mr. Layton was at the wheel! Now THAT is a party that's lost it's way...)

I'm 71. I don’t want my party looking like the one I grew up with. Their ideas and governance were good for that time, but things change over the decades and the party has had to shift with the times.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I am convinced that Carney should have publicly dismissed him.
But here is an interesting take from a poster on another chat group I participate in.
Maybe this person has more insight into the mindset of the Chinese diaspora than us "Round Eyes" have?

Sounds like he was told to resign, but let's not pretend to know what's been said between Mr. Chiang and the Prime Minister these past few days. Perhaps Carney saw this "less embarrassing exit" as the best option in the long term. The Chinese vote in Toronto is very important, and what happens in Markham could very well have a ripple effect on other ridings across the country with lots of Chinese Canadians. Many were calling for Carney to quickly fire him, but that could have make this a bigger issue than it needed to be.

Carney didn't make Chiang lose nearly as much face as he could have, and he really didn't have to do that either. I think a lot of the Chinese Canadian electorate will have have taken note on how this situation was dealt with in a positive way. To me, it shows Carney knows a thing or two about Chinese culture, and how he's dealt with this situation has probably helped him in other ridings with a lot of Chinese Canadians. If Carney had gone out of his way to fire Chiang and it became even more of a national new story, Mr. Chiang could have lost a lot more face, and Chinese Canadians themselves would have seen it as something that could make all Chinese Canadians lose face. Carney avoided this turning into a larger controversy by letting Mr. Chiang resign.

Anyone trying to make a big stink about this for Carney, now that it's been dealt with, is just grasping at straws...just like most of the other CPC attacks against Carney have been so far anyways. If Poilievre and CPC supporters continue to attack on this, it's not going to help them gain support of Chinese Canadian voters, who they absolutely need in BC.

Even if BC has more Hong Kongers and Taiwanese than found in Toronto, there's still more Mainland Chinese Canadians than HKers and Taiwanese in BC... and Hong Kong and Taiwanese Canadians already know that Carney is going to be anything but soft on China, based on what he's already said when asked about shifting the trade focus from the US to China. Carney wants to focus on Europe and reliable partners in Asia that share our trade values. However, if there was a chance to salvage the Canada-China relationship, I think its abundantly clear that Carney would be the far better option than Poilievre to negotiate with with the Chinese and work towards mending the relationship despite the fundamental differences that exist between Canada and China on trade, human rights, and other issues.

I don't think there will be too many Chinese Canadians, even those of HK and Taiwan extraction, who felt Carney wasn't tough enough on Mr. Chiang. Carney dealt with this issue fine. Had Carney swiftly fired Mr. Chiang, and made him lose more face as it became an even bigger national news story, that could have hurt the LPCs poll numbers with Chinese Canadians across the country. Carney dealt with the issue, but he didn't go out of his way to embarrass Mr. Chiang, which in my opinion, is the sign of a rational, balanced leader.

The only people who are going to pretend to continue to care about this issue past today are part of that 35+ percent, rock solid conservative base. For everyone else, the election moves on...

Smells of liberal bias and excuses.

 

[brihard]

I figured there might be grounds to investigate something to do with the SOIA.

Nonchalantly "joking" about turning someone in to the CCP for a bounty strikes me as a certain level of familiarity and comfort.

There may well be, I don’t know. Just saying that mere ‘connections’ would be unlikely to push it into the policing sphere; it would take a bit more than that to triage for investigation. But I’m getting pretty hypothetical here.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Must be something in the air.

My candidate just got canned for stupid comments.

Hopefully, the guy I wanted to run, gets the slot. Young fella, good ideas, well spoken, Afghan Vet.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/mark-mckenzie-windsor-candidate-dropped-1.7498819

 

[Czech_pivo]

Since we're on the topic of candidates being shown the door, for good reason.

EXCLUSIVE: Conservative candidate booted after CTV News uncovers audio of him joking Trudeau should receive death penalty

A Conservative candidate who once voiced his support for 'public hangings' – even joking that former prime minister Justin Trudeau should receive the death penalty – will no longer be running to represent the party after CTV News first obtained audio of his comments.

www.ctvnews.ca

Alt: https://archive.ph/mFsiZ

Ahh, my dear old Windsor is finally making a splash.

 

[brihard]

Must be something in the air.

My candidate just got canned for stupid comments.

Hopefully, the guy I wanted to run, gets the slot. Young fella, good ideas, well spoken, Afghan Vet.

Who’s that?

 

[Remius]

Must be something in the air.

My candidate just got canned for stupid comments.

Hopefully, the guy I wanted to run, gets the slot. Young fella, good ideas, well spoken, Afghan Vet.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/mark-mckenzie-windsor-candidate-dropped-1.7498819

Right now, neither party can afford to have guys like the last two.

While the LPC is leading, the CPC still has strong support (they are not necessarily tanking in the support side as opposed to the polling side). I think the CPC support side is currently stronger than the LPC support side which is softer meaning someone could easily swing back or away from the LPC.

Which is why I still think a CPC minority is in the cards.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It doesn’t change the fact Carney wouldn’t fire him and stood by supporting him.

1. Maybe Carney was being a "good boss" and supporting his employee giving them an opportunity to do the right thing on their own (heh); or

2. Carney was sending a signal to his party (and China) that winning supercedes ethics and the right thing.

Either way it shows Carney doesn't take threats against Canadian citizens by foreign powers seriously. Even when that foreign power runs illegal police stations. [Which Liberal Chief of Staff Marco Mendicino lied about being closed.]

 

[MilEME09]

1. Maybe Carney was being a "good boss" and supporting his employee giving them an opportunity to do the right thing on their own (heh); or

2. Carney was sending a signal to his party (and China) that winning supercedes ethics and the right thing.

Either way it shows Carney doesn't take threats against Canadian citizens by foreign powers seriously. Even when that foreign power runs illegal police stations. [Which Liberal Chief of Staff Marco Mendicino lied about being closed.]

Agreed, if this was a case of public support to show unity and then quietly show him the door and have him step down instead, it was the wrong move. He should of been booted within 24h

 

[Fishbone Jones]

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[Jarnhamar]

Agreed, if this was a case of public support to show unity and then quietly show him the door and have him step down instead, it was the wrong move. He should of been booted within 24h

I find the Conservatives politicians are usually held to a higher standard of behavior than Liberal politicians. Liberals get away with a lot more, just the way it is.

Carney could have ignored this whole thing and without this MP stepping down it wouldn't have impacted him much.

Carney not booting him certainly signals 'same old party' vibes - but that's the party Canadians wanted for 10 years (and looking like 14) so situation no change.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

1. Maybe Carney was being a "good boss" and supporting his employee giving them an opportunity to do the right thing on their own (heh); or

2. Carney was sending a signal to his party (and China) that winning supercedes ethics and the right thing.

Either way it shows Carney doesn't take threats against Canadian citizens by foreign powers seriously. Even when that foreign power runs illegal police stations. [Which Liberal Chief of Staff Marco Mendicino lied about being closed.]

Maybe I'm wrong, IDK. However, carney, IMO, is way to close to China. Brookfield has major investments there, that he negotiated. What's good for China is what's good for Brookefield.

It would appear, that while working for trudeau and Canada, he was making deals with the Chinese, for Brookfield. Sometime in Oct-Nov 2024, he secured a $250 million loan from the Chinese bank.

"On September 9, 2024, former prime minister Justin Trudeau named Carney the chair of a task force on economic growth.

The following month, Carney met with the deputy director of the People’s Bank of China, according to Poilievre and a Chinese-language news article he cited in his post. Then, a few weeks later, Brookfield allegedly secured a $250 million loan from a Chinese state-owned bank."

There are likely good reasons he won't disclose his financials. Where there's smoke...........

Carney’s Brookfield ties to China take the spotlight

Liberal Party of Canada Leader Mark Carney can’t seem to shake his controversial past work with the investing firm Brookfield Asset Management.

www.junonews.com

Brookfield’s Deep Ties to Chinese Land, Loans, and Green Deals—And a Real Estate Tycoon With CCP Links—Raise Questions as Carney Takes Over from Trudeau

Brookfield Bet Billions on Shanghai Land as China’s Market Peaked and Secured $276 Million Bank of China Refinancing Under Mark Carney as Market Crashed

www.thebureau.news

 

[Jarnhamar]

Maybe I'm wrong, IDK. However, carney, IMO, is way to close to China. Brookfield has major investments there, that he negotiated. What's good for China is what's good for Brookefield.

To be fair Brookfield also lent Elon Musk money buy Twitter. No baggage there

 

[Remius]

An article on fake news and disinformation in this new age.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/party-leader-networth-misinformation-ai-1.7498417

brings to light “Pierre Poilievre News” being the garbage “source” I said it was.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

An article on fake news and disinformation in this new age.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/party-leader-networth-misinformation-ai-1.7498417

brings to light “Pierre Poilievre News” being the garbage “source” I said it was.

Mea culpa.

 

[MilEME09]

An article on fake news and disinformation in this new age.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/party-leader-networth-misinformation-ai-1.7498417

brings to light “Pierre Poilievre News” being the garbage “source” I said it was.

Having chatted with CFINTCOM's OSINT people, there is a list of fake news sites that are labeled as low risk that they allow to stay up to use for training purposes. Many of these sites are easy to pick up, especially when you start googling when the site was created, who created etc

 

[RangerRay]

Since we're on the topic of candidates being shown the door, for good reason.

EXCLUSIVE: Conservative candidate booted after CTV News uncovers audio of him joking Trudeau should receive death penalty

A Conservative candidate who once voiced his support for 'public hangings' – even joking that former prime minister Justin Trudeau should receive the death penalty – will no longer be running to represent the party after CTV News first obtained audio of his comments.

www.ctvnews.ca

Alt: https://archive.ph/mFsiZ

What a tool. Even if you remove the talk about Trudeau, he sounds like a complete idiot.

The reaction from the party was refreshing. Parties need to practice better hygiene.