US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[mariomike]

Celebrity endorsements have always be sought and used.

Michael Jordan ( Nike ) put it this way about political neutrality:

"Republicans buy sneakers too".

I've always been a fan of professional sports. Who gets on the team, and which team wins, is based on merit. Not promises.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Ok - source?

There aren't really any concise "sources" for this.

What exists are:

• papers, articles, opinions, etc speculating that illegal immigrants from south of the border should tend to vote Democratic, based on the party's historical support for welfare programs and that it is more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants than the other party
• papers, articles, opinions, etc speculating that it would be good for Democratic political fortunes if more people who tend to vote Democratic were allowed into the country

Both points have the status of "conventional political wisdom". They've existed for decades. It's unrealistic for anyone to claim "Gee, I hadn't thought of that" when advocating for loose border controls and pathways to citizenship.

This is just one in a bucket of widely-known ideas for moving the dial towards the "permanent Democratic majority". Creating new blue states (eg. Puerto Rico, DC, dividing CA three ways) is another.

The generous immigration policies of a century or more ago aren't relevant unless governments start giving away plots of land again. On that, I'll be skeptical until we first start doing it for people already here.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Let it burn. Maybe a few really dangerous characters cross the border and another 9/11 style death count happens. Who are they going to invade then? Of course that’s the worst cast scenario, but something more likely such as major cities turning into shit holes. LA, Seattle, Chicago, New York are the beginning. Let it burn. Enjoy your DEI hire president USA, you deserve her.

Overwrought, although the risk of terrorists entering the country is obvious.

It isn't necessary to speculate about misfortune befalling anyone. It already has, without being so unpleasant. Cities with generous welfare policies, to which migrants have been relocated, are finding the fiscal cost somewhere between inconvenient and difficult to bear. The influx was easy for supporters to ignore when the burden fell on the border states; it's harder when it shows up in your municipality.

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[Brad Sallows]

No one is proposing automatic free citizenship for illegals; they are progressing a formal path and supporting system to allow illegals to eventually earn citizenship. This path would take significant time and effort, and and I am certain that those "murderers, drug dealers, and rapists" wouldn't make it very far along that path. Look if I found out that in Canada that there was a family of law abiding illegals that had been living here for 30 years, had kids born here, were law-abiding, working, and paying taxes, then hell why not have a process to legitamize them?

"No one", as with "everyone", is usually wrong. A common principle of libertarians is free movement across borders. A common principle of progressives is immediate access to welfare programs. Some people support voting rights in lower level elections for residents (not exclusively citizens). I have read a few who would extend that to federal elections (pay taxes, have the right to vote for representation), which is after all one of the ideas that prompted the American Revolution.

I suppose it's remotely possible that there is no one person who holds all of these ideas along with whatever else is needed so as to be indistinguishable from "citizenship".

 

[Brad Sallows]

I don't trust them to do what's right for country and the people. I also think our population is, generally, stupid and weak and easily led astray by celebrity. I think one of the great blights on our society is the worship of professional athlete and celebrity.

It doesn't make any difference whether they do it freely or pay to create a foundation and take out political ads.

People who choose style over substance pay the price, whether they are literate enough to understand it or not. The only flaw is that they drag others with them.

 

[brihard]

People who choose style over substance pay the price, whether they are literate enough to understand it or not. The only flaw is that they drag others with them.

Which nicely circles us right back to the origins of Trump’s MAGA movement.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Which nicely circles us right back to the origins of Trump’s MAGA movement.

Sure, but from where I sit people like Trudeau and Harris are also just packages of style. People talk about how "serious" their side is, and then their panties hit the floor with a splash as they worship a candidate who runs with an exclamation point after its name.

 

[KevinB]

Which nicely circles us right back to the origins of Trump’s MAGA movement.

Well the premise behind MAGA is appealing to most Americans, in the same vein as POTUS’s Build Back Better —

It’s the generally not the original idea that is corrupt. It’s what is done with the ideals as they grow (some like a cancer)

 

[brihard]

Well the premise behind MAGA is appealing to most Americans, in the same vein as POTUS’s Build Back Better —

It’s the generally not the original idea that is corrupt. It’s what is done with the ideals as they grow (some like a cancer)

Where Trump innovated is he created an artificial victimhood where he convinced low-info Americans that their country stopped being great in any real absolute terms. That’s absurd, but because he was able to generalize specific narrow grievances, he successfully convinced a lot of people that their own individual experiences meant that their country has meaningfully diminished on a broad scale and that it was in a way his populism would address.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Hoo boy.... the hits just keep on coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833844205036216355

 

[Brad Sallows]

Where Trump innovated is he created an artificial victimhood where he convinced low-info Americans that their country stopped being great in any real absolute terms. That’s absurd, but because he was able to generalize specific narrow grievances, he successfully convinced a lot of people that their own individual experiences meant that their country has meaningfully diminished on a broad scale and that it was in a way his populism would address.

You've just described the politics of the left, also.

 

[KevinB]

Well you got to give her campaign credit here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834578456727650762

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834591934716735915

 

[brihard]

You've just described the politics of the left, also.

To some extent I would agree. Trump dragged it to new highs (or lows, depending on perspective). He figured out a slogan he could stick to it.

 

[dapaterson]

Hoo boy.... the hits just keep on coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/1833844205036216355

You may want to rethink quoting someone who reports on "Soros linked progressive prosecutors".

 

[QV]

Is that another conspiracy theory?

 

[KevinB]

Is that another conspiracy theory?

I suggest you actually look at the FBI data

Use California as an example, the post on Twitter would suggest that CA doesn’t report data to the FBI, due to some nefarious ploy — but it actual fact 836 CA LE agencies report crime data to the FBI

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

When you get to Violent Crime not all agencies seem to report that:

In 2022, there were 62,410 all violent crime incidents, and 70,279 offenses reported in California by 565 law enforcement agencies that submitted National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) data, and covers 54% of the total population.

Now it appears that some of the reasons for the non reporting at simply due to the Agencies not yet transitioning. As caveated below.

Due to the full transition to NIBRS and the lack of data for agencies that are not fully transitioned, the 2021 data year cannot be added to the 5-, 10- or 20-year trend presentations that are based in traditional methodologies used with summary data.

As such it seems that neither party holds a monopoly on the truth of crime statistics (shocker I know) as clearly neither want to acknowledge the facts of how the data was recorded and what it really means.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Well you got to give her campaign credit here...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834578456727650762

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834591934716735915

"Technically", for reasons of campaign funding laws down there, the Harris-Walz campaign can't take credit for those ads. As noted at the bottom of each ad, "Paid for by America's Future Majority Fund www.americasfuturemajority.com and not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee". There's no info at that link, however someone is claiming credit for "helping lead" this charge. Mr. Malinowski is a former congressman and was an Asst. Secretary of State in the Obama administration.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834607834471788892

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If anyone knows about democrats cheating, it's probably this former Clinton advisor.

Former Clinton Adviser Calls for ABC Debate Rigging Probe​

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In a shocking turn of events, Mark Penn, a former top adviser to Hillary Clinton, has called for an internal probe of ABC, alleging that they rigged the

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[OldSolduer]

I've always been a fan of professional sports. Who gets on the team, and which team wins, is based on merit. Not promises.

Brony James enters the chat.....

 

[Lumber]

If anyone knows about democrats cheating, it's probably this former Clinton advisor.

Former Clinton Adviser Calls for ABC Debate Rigging Probe​

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In a shocking turn of events, Mark Penn, a former top adviser to Hillary Clinton, has called for an internal probe of ABC, alleging that they rigged the

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I wouldn't call Mark Penn an expert on Democrat cheating. He's biased. He's had a hate on for the democrats ever since the out the blame on him for Hillary's failed run for President in 2008. Ever since then, he's done nothing but throw mud at everything democrats do, and has been vocally praising Trump since at least 2018.