From all accounts, Michelle Obama didn’t exactly enjoy her time in the White House and the strain it put on her marriage and family. Doubtful she would run.
US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence
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Never say never. I'm not saying she will be the pick, but I won't be surprised if she ends up in the race.
Like Biden though, Harris will give the democrat brain trust another useful idiot puppet.
This is comedy gold
Being forced out is not exactly "putting country before self". What ever happened to the smart as a whip candidate who won the last debate which the media has been telling us all along his of sound mind?
Where did you read from any sane media source that stated he won that debate. It was largely seen as a failure and the beginning of the end. Was pretty much most of the media spin.
He at least did what a lot of politicians fail to see or do. Know when it’s over despite them not wanting to accept that.
No one can force him out. Pressure yes but there is no mechanism other than the 25th amendment and that wasn’t an option.
If Harris or whoever wins, Biden will likely be the most successful 1 term POTUS. If he had stayed on and lost which was likely, his legacy would be similar to RBG who was lamented as staying on way too long despite her achievements and causing more harm than good.
The problem for any candidate jumping in now is that Harris seems to have secured all the endorsements needed at all levels. Seems like a done deal. My guess is various factions are now campaigning and lobbying as to who her VP might be…
Note: Obama didn’t endorse anyone until the candidate was official. I suspect he is just following that tradition.
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She doesn't have the endorsement of the three top democrats. That carries weight. We'll just have to see how the primary goes.
Edit - 14:20 reports are that Schumer and Jeffries just endorsed Harris. Waiting for something official.
Edit - Pelosi endorses Harris.
Politics are fickle. This changes everything.
Personally, I think Harris is just the candidate the Republicans need.
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'Nancy Pelosi endorses Kamala Harris as Democratic nominee
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee for president on Monday.Why it matters: The speaker emerita helps solidify an emerging consensus around Harris as the clear frontrunner to replace President Biden at the top of the ticket.
What she's saying: Pelosi said in a statement that she endorses her fellow Californian with "immense pride and limitless optimism for our country's future," adding that her "enthusiastic support ... is official, personal and political."
- "Officially, I have seen Kamala Harris's strength and courage as a champion for working families, notably fighting for a woman's right to choose. Personally, I have known Kamala Harris for decades as rooted in strong values, faith and a commitment to public service," she said.
- "Politically, make no mistake: Kamala Harris as a woman in politics is brilliantly astute – and I have full confidence that she will lead us to victory in November."
- Pelosi and Harris spoke by phone on Sunday after Biden dropped out, a source familiar with the matter told Axios.
- Pelosi never joined public calls for Biden to withdraw, but privately she warned him that he could hurt Democrats further down the ballot.
- But sources told Axios that, at least in the case of congressional Democratic leaders, that was out of deference to the process than hesitance to support Harris.
- "For some of the top leaders, they are allowing a little bit of time before making any announcements," one senior House Democrat told Axios on Sunday morning.
Other than "deference to the process" allowing time before making announcements also strings the media cycle out. If all the major players in the party announce same day/same time, it's one story. If those same important party leaders stretch out their reaction, as well as mentioning upcoming meetings with VP Harris (such as Jeffries did minutes ago in a scrum), they highlight their political importance and likewise the importance of their endorsement. More for the press to talk about.
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FBJ, I think Pelosi is much less a powerbroker these days than many give her credit. From a friend’s friend inside the beltway…Pelosi was the messaging output source for the D back room.
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No Obama??
I thought she is Indian? nudge nudge.
At least she now knows that cars have phone chargers in them.
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Yep, already noted.
It's funny, last week, Pelosi was warning everyone not to anoint Harris.
Then they all turn around and anoint Harris.
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Two of the many possibilities now.
Keep Biden in play and let Harris campaign; or
Move Biden out and let Harris show how presidential she is.
Keep Biden in play and let Harris campaign; or
Move Biden out and let Harris show how presidential she is.
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Meanwhile, an aide memoire on what's most likely coming up ....
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Also archived here.
A guide to the coming attacks on Kamala Harris
On Sunday at 1:46 PM Eastern Time, President Joe Biden announced he would end his campaign for reelection. Seconds later, the attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris began. Harris is not yet the nominee. But she has declared her intention to seek the nomination and received an endorsement from...
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He’s already said he will see his term finished.
I think they will let her focus on campaigning, letting Biden and team govern.
Given the short fuse on all of this, that would make the most sense.
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To be entirely fair, he did also say recently that he was running, too. Barring significant medical developments, I'd bet he's going to soldier on, but never say never now.
Thereby giving it the kiss of death as in most systems, political and otherwise
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Interesting article in the Atlantic on the various options for the campaigns.
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Let Them Fight — The Atlantic
Politics The error is not the choice of Kamala Harris. It is the sudden rallying behind her. July 22, 2024 Yesterday, Joe Biden did the honorable thing, after weeks of denying that anything had to be done at all. His announcement took his party by surprise—and now, in haste, the Democrats are...
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He was not “forced out”. Pressured, certainly, but there was no legal or internal party mechanism to compel an incumbent president from turning down the nomination after winning the primaries. He made the choice.This is comedy gold
Being forced out is not exactly "putting country before self". What ever happened to the smart as a whip candidate who won the last debate which the media has been telling us all along his of sound mind?
I stand by my main point: putting country before self is not something Trump is temperamentally capable of, and he has demonstrated that repeatedly. I expect that to be a theme of the Democrat contender’s campaign.
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Seems to me has risked it all for his country, from his standpoint, and likely a huge portion of American voters.
Trump could have stayed out of politics entirely and lived a happy billionaire lifestyle. He could have avoided all the drama since he walked down that escalator, including threats to his character and threats to jail him. He was even donating the POTUS salary, so selfish... And now we've seen as close as a successful assassination attempt as we've ever seen. He's grievances with how America has been run over the last decades is well documented (Oprah etc), and he finally made a move (2015).
Unless, since becoming POTUS, his personal wealth has vastly increased and he's remained safe and secure, which I don't see evidence it has, and by many accounts here he is a terrible businessman and isn't as wealthy as he states, then your assertions are that he is doing this for selfish reasons just don't rate. I'm fairly confident a huge percentage of American voters see it this way too.
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That's direct fundraising. PACs and other dark money can be even more influential.
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As a broad, general rule, I think America is slightly more progressive than it is Trumpian.
The US left coast (Washington, Oregon and California) has 74 of the required 270 electoral college votes), New York and the North Eastern 'New England' states have 50+. Illinois and Virginia have 32. That's 150+ of the 270 in generally reliable Democratic states.
in 2020 Trump got 232 electoral college votes, Biden took 300+.
Those numbers matter.
The US left coast (Washington, Oregon and California) has 74 of the required 270 electoral college votes), New York and the North Eastern 'New England' states have 50+. Illinois and Virginia have 32. That's 150+ of the 270 in generally reliable Democratic states.
in 2020 Trump got 232 electoral college votes, Biden took 300+.
Those numbers matter.
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