U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[dapaterson]

Trump just wants to retake his family heritage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1jaichf/trump_family_fortune_began_in_a_canadian

 

[Cloud Cover]

Trump just wants to retake his family heritage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/1jaichf/trump_family_fortune_began_in_a_canadian

I feel like there’s a Mulroney quote about Erik Nielsen that might apply.

 

[Quirky]

Survey says ...

51st State: Canadian resolve in saying ‘no’ continues, while a massive gap between Trump & Americans is revealed -

60% of Americans say they have no interest in Canada joining, 32% say only if Canada wants to March 12, 2025 – U.S. President Donald Trump continues to escalate his trade war and annexation rhetoric this week, leaving economists, commentators, and even supporters wondering about his motivations...

angusreid.org

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Would like to find a poll broken down by age. Boomers are unlikely to give up their socialism freebies and young Canadians are tired of having to pay for it is my prediction.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Would like to find a poll broken down by age. Boomers are unlikely to give up their socialism freebies and young Canadians are tired of having to pay for it is my prediction.

If you click on the news release link, at the bottom of the page, you get a link to the attached. Your guess makes some intuitive sense, but let us know how close you got in your prediction

 

[Lumber]

If you click on the news release link, at the bottom of the page, you get a link to the attached. Your guess makes some intuitive sense, but let us know how close you got in your prediction

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

 

[RangerRay]

I found it odd that on the question on if the Liberals win, should your province join the US, more Liberal voters than Tories (35-32) said “yes”.

The largest group of voters in favour of union in both cases was “Other”. I’m guessing that’s Maxime Bernier’s vanity project. Ironic since their the ones who wrapped themselves in the Canadian flag during the last election.

 

[PrairieFella]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

Which is exactly why the Conservative lead collapsed. There's too much at stake for a lot of people to trust Mr. Verb-the-Noun and the small but loud and influential faction of his party with dubious allegiances. Fo I necessarily believe that? No. But I'm sure that's part of a lot of people's mental calculus. I'm voting CFP anyways haha.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

It makes sense why the Liberals want to ban firearms so badly.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Anyone have thoughts on what Dougie has been saying since his meeting today?
Positive meeting?
Negative meeting?

 

[mariomike]

Would like to find a poll broken down by age.

By age, and gender.

 

[PrairieFella]

By age, and gender.

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So Gen X has some explaining to do. But hey, it must be those entitled kids right?

 

[McG]

There can be no apologists for Trump’s threats.

Trump's Threat to Take Over Canada Is a Scandal

Trump keeps threatening to annex Canada. Americans would never accept such talk from another country.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[FSTO]

A post on Facebook today.

 

[Kirkhill]

Mr. Carney, whose swearing-in is scheduled to take place at Rideau Hall at 11 a.m. on Friday morning, will take the reins of government at a difficult time for Canada, as trade tensions escalate with the United States and President Donald Trump. Among his first acts as Prime Minister, according to four other sources, will be a trip next week to Britain and France, which have also borne the brunt of Mr. Trump’s tariffs.

The Globe is not naming the sources because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

One of the four sources, a British government official, said Mr. Carney is expected to meet with Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Foreign Secretary David Lammy, though specifics of the engagements have not yet been confirmed.

Mark Carney prepares tighter cabinet with many Trudeau stalwarts out

Liberal insiders say the new cabinet will include 20 ministers and that Joly, LeBlanc and McGuinty will keep their roles

www.theglobeandmail.com

Is Carney going to trim left or right?

He and Starmer are very closely associated. And associated with the EU.

But the leader of the Glasgow Finance Alliance for Net Zero is facing an interesting world where the EU is rearming, Poland and Germany are talking nuclear weapons, the Swedes and Finns are not neutral and even Ireland is talking about arming (you can't talk about them re-arming).

Also the politicians have been running away from Net Zero associated policies that have been perturbing the electorate. And finding excuses to extend the life of oil, gas and coal facilities, maybe even relaunching idle nuclear plants.

And yesterday, Keir Starmer, in Britain's most Tory newspaper said this:

We might not get it all right, but we’ll put Britain back in the driver’s seat

In uncertain times, people want a state that will take care of the big questions, not a bigger state

www.telegraph.co.uk

How NHS England went so wrong

Abolition of largest, most stifling bureaucracy health service has ever experienced was announced by Sir Keir Starmer on Thursday

www.telegraph.co.uk

Starmer to abolish NHS England in £800m gamble

Sir Keir Starmer has announced he will abolish NHS England in a gamble that will cost the taxpayer up to £800 million.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Previously he had said this

Potentially putting Britons in harm’s way is a huge responsibility – but we must be ready to do our bit for Europe

Helping to guarantee Ukraine’s security is helping to guarantee the security of our country and our continent

www.telegraph.co.uk

Starmer is shifting dramatically to the Right – and we have Trump to thank

Abolishing NHS England is the latest in a string of radical moves away from the PM’s comfort zone

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Kirkhill]

The power went out while I was posting the above. I lost some quotes.

Going to quote Keir's article in its entirety. It reads vaguely Reaganesque, if not Thatcherite.

I can only assume that Thatcherite has been proven right. Eventually the Socialists have run out of other people's money to spend.

This Labour Government was elected on a simple pledge: change.

That was our offer to the British people after 14 years of Tory chaos. But it also reflects our volatile world.

Global instability fuels insecurity here at home. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has pushed up bills, raised prices, and threatened the peace of our continent.

When people are worried about their family finances. When our streets don’t feel safe. And when our public services aren’t there for people who need them, it all adds up to a sense that Britain isn’t working for them.

In times like this, people look to their government not to be buffeted about by change, or even to merely respond to it. People want their government to seize the future and shape it for the benefit of the British people.

I am proud that in recent weeks we have stood firm in our unwavering support for Ukraine.

We stand ready to support President Trump and President Zelensky’s efforts to secure a ceasefire and a lasting peace.

That’s why I will be convening leaders this weekend to discuss next steps.

And it’s why I have announced the largest sustained increase in defence spending since the Cold War.

This is an obligation - but it’s also an opportunity. National security is economic security.

An additional £13.4 billion year on year will mean more money for businesses, skills, good jobs and apprenticeships here in Britain. We’re not just stepping up for the security and defence of Europe, we’re stepping up to secure the future for working people in this country.

That’s what my Plan for Change has always been about. Putting every pound towards the priorities of working people. And it’s working. We’re clearing the asylum backlog at record pace. Wages are rising faster than prices. And we’ve cut NHS waiting lists four months in a row, delivering an extra two million appointments in just seven months.

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I have always been clear about the change Britain needs and our plans to achieve it. But international events over the last few weeks have injected a new urgency into our mission.

Further and faster​

We need to go further and faster on security and renewal. In such uncertain times, people want a state that will take care of the big questions, not a bigger state that asks more from them. We need to be operating at maximum efficiency and strength. I believe in the power of the state. I’m not interested in ideological arguments about whether it should be bigger or smaller. I simply want it to work.

I saw the state at its best in our response to the riots last summer. It was dynamic, strong and urgent. But for the most part, that’s not the state that most people will recognise.

The Tories left tax and spending at, or close to, historic highs and yet the public do not feel the benefit. The Civil Service has grown by 130,000 since the referendum, and yet frontline services have not improved. It’s overstretched, unfocussed and unable to deliver the security people need today.

So we will make sure our civil servants are equipped for the challenges of the modern era. We’ll bring them closer to communities, free them from bureaucracy and provide the right incentives for success. We’ll harness the power of AI to make every department more innovative and efficient. We’ll redirect resources towards the frontlines. More teachers in schools, nurses in hospitals and police on our streets to make the state work for working people.

Because the problem isn’t our fantastic civil servants – it’s the system they’re stuck in.
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For too long, there’s been a knee-jerk response in politics. A tendency to avoid difficult questions by sweeping them under a carpet of regulation. To outsource and delay decision-making and avoid accountability. For any challenge faced, for too long the answer has been more arms-length bodies, quangos and regulators which end up blocking the Government as we’re trying to build.

Nowhere is this clearer than in planning. We have a mandate to build 1.5 million homes in this parliament. We’re introducing legislation this week to make it faster to build, reform the planning system and cut regulations that clog up the system.

Because we have to loosen the chokehold on building in this country. Take the project in Ebbsfleet to build more than 15,000 new homes. Homes we desperately need in a housing crisis. A ready-made railway station and a 17-minute commute into central London. The previous government bought 125 hectares of former industrial land and quarries – the definition of “grey-belt” – to build around the station. The plan was blocked by Natural England. Why? The discovery of a colony of “distinguished jumping spiders”. The dream of home ownership for thousands of families, held back by arachnids. It’s nonsense. And we’ll stop it.

If it’s difficult for the state to get things done, imagine being a small business. I heard from a family business owner in Wales that builds homes for first-time buyers. During the consultation delays and the lengthy planning application, the cost of resources went up. The regulations held him back for so long that he lost the site. Business unable to grow because of red tape. Families unable to buy because an overcautious flabby state got in the way.

My Government supports enterprise. We will pull every lever to unleash it. Today we are announcing a new target across government to cut administrative costs of regulation by 25 per cent.

This is a generational opportunity, and our task is clear. National security and national renewal. We won’t shrug our shoulders and look away. We might not get everything right, but people can know we are doing everything in our power to get the state and its systems working for them. In contrast to what’s come before, this Government will take responsibility, roll up our sleeves and make the reforms needed.

We’re putting Britain back in the driver’s seat with our Plan for Change. We’re fighting for the British people. We’ll secure our future together.

Shrinking the civil service, getting rid of Quangos, disregarding them, cutting the NHS - all to fund Defence.

 

[Kirkhill]

Things must be bad when the French, the Germans and the Brits, as well as the Poles, are all singing from the same hymnbook.

Is Mark going to pick up his marching orders?

 

[Furniture]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

Alternatively, they see a government that actively targets them as the domestic "others" as only slightly better than a foreign government that would treat them that way.

Rather than acting smug, the LPC and it's supporters should maybe be asking why a not insignificant portion of the population finds them so intolerable?

Never mind... Just ban some more guns and call anyone who disagrees with it racist, and all the other progressive "othering" terms.

 

[markppcli]

So Gen X has some explaining to do. But hey, it must be those entitled kids right?

And elder millennials who are wondering why they’re 38 and priced out of the housing market in their prime earning years. Not that it’s an excuse for treason.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So, if the Liberals won a majority in the next election, 1-in-3 conservatives would rather throw in the towel, give up their sovereignty, and join the US under Donald Trump. Cowards. And you wonder why people say the LPC is "the party of Canada".

@Furniture said it better than I could.

Alternatively, they see a government that actively targets them as the domestic "others" as only slightly better than a foreign government that would treat them that way.

Rather than acting smug, the LPC and it's supporters should maybe be asking why a not insignificant portion of the population finds them so intolerable?

Never mind... Just ban some more guns and call anyone who disagrees with it racist, and all the other progressive "othering" terms.

I'd also like to point the the number of conservatives is not just significant, if polls are to believed, they are the largest cohort or people in the country by popular vote time after time, and the only reason the LPC continues to win is because of the rules of the game, not because their positions and policies are the most popular as a single party.

And this right there is our biggest weakness as a country.

 

[mariomike]

So Gen X has some explaining to do.

Seems to also be a gender gap.

17% men vs 6% women.