U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Remius]

Trump is rattling the cage, hopefully canada gets its act together.

Not all of Canada needs to get annexed, just the useful bits outside the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa corridor.

That’s on par with your thoughts on your home country getting annexed.

Not surprised at all.

 

[Quirky]

Nothing lasts forever.

 

[JLB50]

Trump is rattling the cage, hopefully canada gets its act together.

Not all of Canada needs to get annexed, just the useful bits outside the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa corridor.

Wow, I’m disappointed to hear you say that.

 

[dimsum]

What’s unfolding at this moment is exactly what was meant to happen, an understanding that trade between the north and south is of utmost importance. It’s not about clinging to a meaningless nostalgia for a nation that lacks a significant history or purpose without any real reason to exist. Trudeau really needs to stick around a little while longer and really fuck things up.

I hear the US military is hiring.

Trump is rattling the cage, hopefully canada gets its act together.

Not all of Canada needs to get annexed, just the useful bits outside the Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa corridor.

Colour me shocked that you think that “commie-land” Vancouver and Victoria are useful

And @Quirky - I’ve seen a lot of…um…interesting comments from you but even I was surprised at your last few. In other country’s contexts, there would be a term for that but I’m pretty sure I’d be booted off the site for saying it.

 

[dimsum]

Donald Trump says Canada becoming 51st U.S. state 'a great idea'

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is taking aim at Canada once more, saying it would be 'a great idea' to make it America's ‘51st state.'

www.ctvnews.ca

A lot of people here think that Trump is just joking when he says that Canada is or could end up as the 51st state. But I’m of the opinion that Trump plans to do everything possible to ensure that it becomes a reality. It is his intention to destabilize and fragment this country to such an extent that (in his mind) Canadians will see him as their Saviour and welcome him with open arms. Many here will certainly argue that doing so would force Americans to accept a certain percentage of what they see as communist pinko subversives from Igloo-land destabilizing the American heartland and, for that reason, a desired annexation would never take place.

While I do believe that Trump is mentally unstable and potentially quite dangerous for the world, I think he is anything but a dummy. Quite the opposite in fact. He is a genius at using the social media, giving hints and making subtle suggestions and then letting them take root and grow so that the impossible not only becomes possible but desirable. A few years back he remarked how he thought that the Mount Rushmore monument should be altered to include a statue of him beside the other presidents. Trump does not really care about his own country and certainly not Canada. Trump, the real estate developer, really only wants a monument to his ego. Whereas Thomas Jefferson was able to add the Louisiana Purchase to his list of accomplishments, Trump would be able to add the entire country of Canada or at least most of it initially and probably all of it (including Quebec) eventually to his accomplishments. And then maybe Mount Rushmore would be too small of a monument to him…at least in his mind.

Trump is looking for reasons to put pressure on Canada to bend to his will. He is capitalizing on our internal dissent. At the same time he is trivializing this country (“the 51st state“) along with ”Governor” Trudeau. Again, he is planting the seeds of our own destruction. He knows that Canadians along with their politicians are too docile to stand up to him in any significant way. And I’m sure that Trump will see Poilievre as a pushover as well. After all, that’s the Canadian way. Or is it?

Today’s announcement of Trump urging for Canada to join the U.S. is no longer a joke. It is now a warning shot fired across our bow. He is deadly serious and he intends to do everything possible for Canada to no longer be a nation. I only hope that Canadians, despite our differences, will see the threats being posed by Trump and his incoming administration, and appreciate that what we currently have, warts and all, is worth saving.

Canadians working at NORAD right now:

 

[mariomike]

Man you really need to exercise your freedom of movement and gtfo.

"Take my wife. Please!" ( I kid. Old Henny Youngman joke. )

But, she does have a U.S. passport.

For reference to the discussion.

Atlantic Canada seems least enthusiastic. Alberta most.

 

[QV]

Donald Trump says Canada becoming 51st U.S. state 'a great idea'

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is taking aim at Canada once more, saying it would be 'a great idea' to make it America's ‘51st state.'

www.ctvnews.ca

A lot of people here think that Trump is just joking when he says that Canada is or could end up as the 51st state. But I’m of the opinion that Trump plans to do everything possible to ensure that it becomes a reality. It is his intention to destabilize and fragment this country to such an extent that (in his mind) Canadians will see him as their Saviour and welcome him with open arms. Many here will certainly argue that doing so would force Americans to accept a certain percentage of what they see as communist pinko subversives from Igloo-land destabilizing the American heartland and, for that reason, a desired annexation would never take place.

While I do believe that Trump is mentally unstable and potentially quite dangerous for the world, I think he is anything but a dummy. Quite the opposite in fact. He is a genius at using the social media, giving hints and making subtle suggestions and then letting them take root and grow so that the impossible not only becomes possible but desirable. A few years back he remarked how he thought that the Mount Rushmore monument should be altered to include a statue of him beside the other presidents. Trump does not really care about his own country and certainly not Canada. Trump, the real estate developer, really only wants a monument to his ego. Whereas Thomas Jefferson was able to add the Louisiana Purchase to his list of accomplishments, Trump would be able to add the entire country of Canada or at least most of it initially and probably all of it (including Quebec) eventually to his accomplishments. And then maybe Mount Rushmore would be too small of a monument to him…at least in his mind.

Trump is looking for reasons to put pressure on Canada to bend to his will. He is capitalizing on our internal dissent. At the same time he is trivializing this country (“the 51st state“) along with ”Governor” Trudeau. Again, he is planting the seeds of our own destruction. He knows that Canadians along with their politicians are too docile to stand up to him in any significant way. And I’m sure that Trump will see Poilievre as a pushover as well. After all, that’s the Canadian way. Or is it?

Today’s announcement of Trump urging for Canada to join the U.S. is no longer a joke. It is now a warning shot fired across our bow. He is deadly serious and he intends to do everything possible for Canada to no longer be a nation. I only hope that Canadians, despite our differences, will see the threats being posed by Trump and his incoming administration, and appreciate that what we currently have, warts and all, is worth saving.

You are probably more right than most hope to admit. The highlighted is an understatement. Trudeau has taken division to elite levels in this country and there are entire regions who now have substantial populations believing they would be better treated by another country then their own. This isn't about Trump, who is just capitalizing on opportunity. This is about national unity in this country, which is on the brink thanks to the East, Trudeau, and the destructive policies of the LPC/NDP coalition. It will be interesting to see if PP can bring us back to a more unified country.

 

[Remius]

Nothing lasts forever.

not unlike the oath you took when you became a citizen or a caf member it would seem.

 

[dimsum]

You are probably more right than most hope to admit. The highlighted is an understatement. Trudeau has taken division to elite levels in this country and there are entire regions who now have substantial populations believing they would be better treated by another country then their own.

Is less than 20% substantial, from @mariomike’s post above yours?

This isn't about Trump, who is just capitalizing on opportunity. This is about national unity in this country, which is on the brink thanks to the East, Trudeau, and the destructive policies of the LPC/NDP coalition. It will be interesting to see if PP can bring us back to a more unified country.

If he can stop the “attack dog” attitude, perhaps. But even when he had to tone it down (during his “remove the glasses” makeover), he didn’t manage to keep the attitude in check for more than a few weeks.

So I’m not confident that when things don’t go his way, he’ll be able to work with the other parties rather than rail on them - like how he’s doing right now in the Opposition.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So I’m not confident that when things don’t go his way, he’ll be able to work with the other parties rather than rail on them - like how he’s doing right now in the Opposition.

Which party is willing to work with opposition parties ? NDP ? They are just using this for pure personal gain.

I think you're being disingenuous and biased, I haven't seen the Libs willing to compromise or reach out with an olive branch to anyone. Show me where they (The LPC) went to PP and offered a reasonable compromise.

I will also throw out PP just said he will carry on with Lib defence spending.

PP is the opposition leader, he is doing his job right now. Expecting him to be the PM when he's not is unfair and biased IMHO.

 

[Remius]

PP is the opposition leader, he is doing his job right now. Expecting him to be the PM when he's not is unfair and biased IMHO.

We should still expect him to be the PM in waiting. Especially in a minority situation and especially in an election year. Be the PM in waiting and have your attack dogs to the dirty work. The problem is that he was the attack dog for a long time.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We should still expect him to be the PM in waiting. Especially in a minority situation and especially in an election year. Be the PM in waiting and have your attack dogs to the dirty work. The problem is that he was the attack dog for a long time.

I have no issues with the way he is conducting himself. But I can admit my biases.

 

[Quirky]

not unlike the oath you took when you became a citizen or a caf member it would seem.

Give it a rest. Anyone's opinion on this matter will have ZERO affect on any theoretical political annexation outcomes. People are freaking out. Good. This countries leadership is a complete disaster and Canadians voted for it. I hope they remember this moment and choose wisely next time.

 

[JLB50]

You are probably more right than most hope to admit. The highlighted is an understatement. Trudeau has taken division to elite levels in this country and there are entire regions who now have substantial populations believing they would be better treated by another country then their own. This isn't about Trump, who is just capitalizing on opportunity. This is about national unity in this country, which is on the brink thanks to the East, Trudeau, and the destructive policies of the LPC/NDP coalition. It will be interesting to see if PP can bring us back to a more unified country.

I largely agree with you. In another thread last week I pointed out a quote Trudeau made in a New York Times article (2015 or 2016) seeming to boast how Canadians now have “no core identity”. That along with his stubborn reluctance to commit to any significant defence spending shows how both he and his party are adding to the disunity of this country. However, I also feel that Poilievre is an opportunist who is capitalizing on Trudeau’s unpopularity rather than trying to unify this country. The LPC has long ago caved in to the demands of the ultra left as well as those of the self-serving Laurentian Elite in order to stay in power.The CPC, however, is being heavily influenced by the ultra right as well as by the very powerful oil and gas lobby.

Trudeau and his ilk deserve to have their butts kicked out of office by the electorate. Poilievre is all but certain to be our next prime minister. I only hope that he will surprise me and be more a true patriot and fight for this country.

 

[dimsum]

Which party is willing to work with opposition parties ? NDP ? They are just using this for pure personal gain.

I think you're being disingenuous and biased, I haven't seen the Libs willing to compromise or reach out with an olive branch to anyone. Show me where they (The LPC) went to PP and offered a reasonable compromise.

If PP’s main reaction is to attack, why would anyone try to reach out after more than once?

I will also throw out PP just said he will carry on with Lib defence spending.

That was what, last week? After over a year of attacking the Libs on everything they do - even to the point of his own CPC MPs calling him out on the Housing Accelerator issue.

PP is the opposition leader, he is doing his job right now. Expecting him to be the PM when he's not is unfair and biased IMHO.

Barring some ridiculous change in circumstances, he will be the next PM. This is not totally unlike Trump not being POTUS right now, but everyone acting like he is.

 

[dimsum]

Give it a rest. Anyone's opinion on this matter will have ZERO affect on any theoretical political annexation outcomes. People are freaking out. Good. This countries leadership is a complete disaster and Canadians voted for it. I hope they remember this moment and choose wisely next time.

I won’t speak for @Remius but my personal take on your posting history is someone who dislikes the CAF and Canada.

As I said - the US military is hiring.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If PP’s main reaction is to attack, why would anyone try to reach out after more than once?

Because in opposition that's his job, and I expect he will face that from his opposition.

That was what, last week? After over a year of attacking the Libs on everything they do - even to the point of his own CPC MPs calling him out on the Housing Accelerator issue.

Which again is is job. And he still managed to fall in behind the Libs defence spending. And OMG MPs to disagreed with their leader! clutches pearls heavens above.

Barring some ridiculous change in circumstances, he will be the next PM. This is not totally unlike Trump not being POTUS right now, but everyone acting like he is.

Just stop, he's not trump at all. Pull your pants up your bias is showing mate.

 

[QV]

Is less than 20% substantial, from @mariomike’s post above yours?


If he can stop the “attack dog” attitude, perhaps. But even when he had to tone it down (during his “remove the glasses” makeover), he didn’t manage to keep the attitude in check for more than a few weeks.

So I’m not confident that when things don’t go his way, he’ll be able to work with the other parties rather than rail on them - like how he’s doing right now in the Opposition.

When looking at MM post, and including the "don't know/won't say" as potentials... then yes 20-25% is a significant number.


The difference between PP and Trudeau is PP is attack dogging the Government... Trudeau is attacking Canadians.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Trudeau is attacking Canadians.

MAGA influenced MAGA Conservatives with racist, misogynistic, unacceptable opinions who don't trust the science.

Aka - deplorables.



For all the Canadians hot and horny to take up (now mostly illegal) arms to defend Canada against the evil US invasion maybe you should worry about all that foreign interference and compromised politicians in our own country first. Unless you like manning trenches with enemies at your back.

 

[dapaterson]

We should still expect him to be the PM in waiting. Especially in a minority situation and especially in an election year. Be the PM in waiting and have your attack dogs to the dirty work. The problem is that he was the attack dog for a long time.

Reminds me of Copps, Nunziata and Tobin.