U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Eaglelord17]

I would say Ont and Que have had the country over a barrel for too long and the political field needs to be leveled.

And Que told to leave with their tiny strip of land along the St Lawrence if required.

And this is coming from a proud Ontarian now sadly living in outer regions of Canada.

Quebec isn’t going anywhere. Even if they wanted to succeed native land needs to be taken into consideration so their goal of getting all of Quebec out isn’t happening. They likely would just be a small strip along the St. Lawrence after that is finished.

There is also an immense imbalance between Canada and the US. Would we have an equal vote and seat? Would we create a new currency with equal say on its policy? Would Americans accept a picture of Sir John A on the back of their dollar? All doubtful.

We already have a great integrated supply system and free trade agreement. The only improvement I would see is free movement. So create a North American passport? Sure. I’d rather like to see an anglosphere version of that.

A completely open border wouldn’t be to our benefit. America wouldn’t have much to lose as generally our society is much more controlled, but our gun crime would go up even more thanks to much easier access for criminals to traffic their arms.

I literally don’t see much potential gains for Canada with that situation and I live on the border and used to cross weekly for the benefits it provides.

 

[Remius]

Quebec isn’t going anywhere. Even if they wanted to succeed native land needs to be taken into consideration so their goal of getting all of Quebec out isn’t happening. They likely would just be a small strip along the St. Lawrence after that is finished.

A completely open border wouldn’t be to our benefit. America wouldn’t have much to lose as generally our society is much more controlled, but our gun crime would go up even more thanks to much easier access for criminals to traffic their arms.

I literally don’t see much potential gains for Canada with that situation and I live on the border and used to cross weekly for the benefits it provides.

I didn’t say completely open border. I said free movement. That comes with a variety of options, etc.

 

[KevinB]

the inhabitants of Peurto Rico are american citizens who don't get a vote in the federal elections. So if alberta were to become puerto rico north we'd be worse off than before, at least in regards to representation at the federal level.

Not correct.

PR is an odd duck, they aren’t US citizens, as it is not a state in the union, but they can join the Armed Forces (and get fast tracked citizenship). They are are a Commonwealth that is a US protectorate, they have their own semi separate legal system and various other things that separate them from being a state.

They can come and live and work in the US and become citizens if they want, but aren’t actual US citizens by birth unless their parents were. A buddy of mine from PR had to take about 20min to explain the system to me — I’m still not 100% on the entire thing.



It has very odd firearms laws, but US HR218 applies so you can carry there if LE or retired LE just like the actual states. The NFA doesn’t apply to PR, so if you are connected enough you can get a machine gun or suppressor as an individual without paying the $200 tax stamp.

 

[MrWhyt]

PR is an odd duck, they aren’t US citizens, as it is not a state in the union, but they can join the Armed Forces (and get fast tracked citizenship).

according to Wiki (so grain of salt etc.) "Puerto Ricans have been US citizens since 1917... " . there is also this

"All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899, and prior to January 13, 1941, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, residing on January 13, 1941, in Puerto Rico or other territory over which the United States exercises rights of sovereignty and not citizens of the United States under any other Act, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of January 13, 1941. All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States at birth."

 

[McG]

Danielle Smith has been pandering to Canadian MAGA and playing footsie with separatists her whole tenure. Overtures to Trump and sabre rattling at Ottawa are about pleasing her base more than the provincial interests (though, she may well see these as being the same thing).

 

[McG]

… and despite the fact that Alberta has the highest support for the idea, a merger is not a popular idea in the province.

Ref: Canada as 51st State? Four-in-five Americans say a merger should be up to Canadians; 90% of us say ‘no’ -

 

[mariomike]

… and despite the fact that Alberta has the highest support for the idea, a merger is not a popular idea in the province.

At the national level, women seem particularly unenthusiastic.

The national demographic breakdowns show there’s higher support among men, at 19%, compared with only 7% of women.

 

[brihard]

At the national level, women seem particularly unenthusiastic.

I cannot for the life of me imagine why.

 

[Remius]

… and despite the fact that Alberta has the highest support for the idea, a merger is not a popular idea in the province.

Ref: Canada as 51st State? Four-in-five Americans say a merger should be up to Canadians; 90% of us say ‘no’ -

Even if they got statehood they’d only get 4 or5 seats in the House of Representatives…contrast that to 37 here.

 

[QV]

… and despite the fact that Alberta has the highest support for the idea, a merger is not a popular idea in the province.

Ref: Canada as 51st State? Four-in-five Americans say a merger should be up to Canadians; 90% of us say ‘no’ -

The right conditions and a good info campaign could change that dramatically.

Another few Trudeau-like terms… economic destitution and a good package proposal, for example.

I wouldn’t write it off for all time.

 

[mariomike]

I cannot for the life of me imagine why.

I can't either.

Not much enthusiasm from young women on either side of the border.

38% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Trump ( Republican ) in the 2024 election.

32% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Trump ( Republican ) in the 2020 election.

30% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Trump ( Republican ) in the 2016 election.

32% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Romney ( Republican ) in the 2012 election.

29% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported McCain ( Republican ) in the 2008 election.

Gender Differences in 2024 Vote Choice Are Similar to Most Recent Presidential Elections

cawp.rutgers.edu

 

[Jarnhamar]

I wonder why more women supported Trump in 2024, especially with Harris running.

 

[CBH99]

I wonder why more women supported Trump in 2024, especially with Harris running.

Because....she's a moron, and her fellow women could also see that? (Jk jk...kinda)

I think more women voted for Trump because everybody across the spectrum were feeling less & less psyched for the 'Biden'O'mics' economy, the drastic rise in the cost of living, feeling like their government abandons them during environmental emergencies, and the rapid spread of corruption amongst the nation's institutions...



...unless we've all had it wrong all along, and we should have been spraying ourselves orange all these years?

 

[mariomike]

I cannot for the life of me imagine why.

Because....she's a moron, and her fellow women could also see that? (Jk jk...kinda)

Draw your own conclusions.

61% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Harris ( Democratic ) in the 2024 election.

67% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Biden ( Democratic ) in the 2020 election.

63% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Clinton ( Democratic ) in the 2016 election.

66% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Obama ( Democratic ) in the 2012 election.

69% of young women ( 18 - 29 ) supported Obama ( Democratic ) in the 2008 election.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Draw your own conclusions.

You seem fairly keyed in. What's your conclusion?

 

[KevinB]

according to Wiki (so grain of salt etc.) "Puerto Ricans have been US citizens since 1917... " . there is also this

"All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899, and prior to January 13, 1941, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, residing on January 13, 1941, in Puerto Rico or other territory over which the United States exercises rights of sovereignty and not citizens of the United States under any other Act, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of January 13, 1941. All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States at birth."

Yeah, I don't really understand it -- I talked to another former PR retired Military member today - and he said the citizenship issue is odd - that one born in PR is technically a US citizen, but is also a Puerto Rican citizen (and the US recognizes people born in PR as Dual Citizenship American and Puerto Rican). Apparently if one has a PR Citizenship it can be also used to get dual citizenship with Spain, but he didn't know what that entailed regarding ones US Citizenship.

 

[Remius]

Danielle Smith has been pandering to Canadian MAGA and playing footsie with separatists her whole tenure. Overtures to Trump and sabre rattling at Ottawa are about pleasing her base more than the provincial interests (though, she may well see these as being the same thing).

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

‘We have to have a spine’: Former Alta. Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to retaliate against Trump tariffs

Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to take action should U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his tariff threat once he takes office.

www.ctvnews.ca

Even people I know here who dislike Ford are cheering him on.

 

[brihard]

At least Harper and even Kenney are not willing to be a surrender monkeys and want to show we have a spine.

‘We have to have a spine’: Former Alta. Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to retaliate against Trump tariffs

Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney says Canada should be prepared to take action should U.S. president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his tariff threat once he takes office.

www.ctvnews.ca

Even people I know here who dislike Ford are cheering him on.

I’m not a Ford fan for several other reasons, but I’m happy with how he’s handling this. I’m willing to give credit where due.