U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[dimsum]

I'll have to take your word for it. I don't Reddit. X and Army.ca are it for me.

Honestly, Reddit is great for non-political stuff.

There is a subreddit for everything - I got onto Reddit via cooking recipes and “writing prompts” (unfortunately not an active subreddit now) - someone posts a prompt to write about something, and people submit their short stories.

The Canadian Forces subreddit was a toxic mess until fairly recently, when the mods got replaced. It seems a bit better now, but I stick with the CAF subreddit (a different one, made because the CanadianForces one started banning dissenting views). I also keep an eye on some other military subs (e.g. US Military and Australian Military) for kicks and comparisons.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

My prediction that Canada would eventually be absorbed by the United States might come true sooner than I thought .

Lower taxes, 2nd amendment rights and pro-business climate does sound appealing at the moment.

 

[dimsum]

My prediction that Canada would eventually be absorbed by the United States might come true sooner than I thought .

Lower taxes, 2nd amendment rights and pro-business climate does sound appealing at the moment.

In high school, my history teacher said that “the US is free. You are totally free to fail.”

One of my relatives who lives in the US has always said that even with good health insurance, most Americans are one bad medical issue away from being destitute.

I think about that a lot.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My prediction that Canada would eventually be absorbed by the United States might come true sooner than I thought .

I think it's inevitable. And we should probably be working to get our selves the best position possible.

In high school, my history teacher said that “the US is free. You are totally free to fail.”

One of my relatives who lives in the US has always said that even with good health insurance, most Americans are one bad medical issue away from being destitute.

I think about that a lot.

I swear, when push comes to shove to too many Canadians their sense of being Canadian is simply our shitty medical system.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

My prediction that Canada would eventually be absorbed by the United States might come true sooner than I thought .

Lower taxes, 2nd amendment rights and pro-business climate does sound appealing at the moment.

It sounds appealing to most Americans too; until you realize the monkey's paw of those wishes are substandard government services, frequent school shootings, and an oligarchy that has managed to pervert the highest levels of government at the expense of their most vulnerable citizens.

Thinking Canada would be better off under the U.S. system because "muh freedoms" is akin to thinking the stripper actually likes you.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

In high school, my history teacher said that “the US is free. You are totally free to fail.”

One of my relatives who lives in the US has always said that even with good health insurance, most Americans are one bad medical issue away from being destitute.

I think about that a lot.

This is the boogeyman that always gets dragged out but there is a lot more to it.

Many health problems in the United States are a result of lifestyle choices: obesity, tobacco use, alcohol & drugs.

Even with that, life expectancy isn't that drastically different from us.

It sounds appealing to most Americans too; until you realize the monkey's paw of those wishes are substandard government services, frequent school shootings, and an oligarchy that has managed to pervert the highest levels of government at the expense of their most vulnerable citizens.

Thinking Canada would be better off under the U.S. system because "muh freedoms" is akin to thinking the stripper actually likes you.

Substandard Govt Services: So no different than here? They just have slightly less tolerance for it.

Frequent School Shootings: America is a big Country, California alone has more people than all of Canada and also has/had stricter gun laws and considerably more shootings than us. Painting the entire US with the same broad brush is a common mistake.

Oligarchy???? I think you've got the Countries mixed up. Canada has way more of an entrenched oligarchy than the US.


My family has been in North America since the late 1600s and is present on both sides of the border. I've got cousins in New Hampshire, Massachusetts & Pennsylvania. A Union wouldn't bother me in the least, it would make family reunions easier .

Canada's biggest issue is a distinct lack of culture and national identity. We used to have a culture but it's been eroded.

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877527361492517019

must be the loose border control in Greenland

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I think it's inevitable. And we should probably be working to get our selves the best position possible.

We are already essentially a Vassal State. Our economy is bought and paid for by the Americans.

This administration has a far more realistic view of the relative decline of American Global Hegemony than the previous one. In the multipolar World, America can still be a strong regional power with it's own sphere of influence but it needs to take steps to secure its interests.

The reward for vassal states in this type of World is the following:

if you comply, you don't get beaten.


My sense is that we are back to this again:

And an American Annexation of Canada would probably look much like Russia's Annexation of Crimea. I seriously doubt a shot would even be fired. 10th Mtn Division would simply cross the border and drive to Ottawa.

 

[lenaitch]

Frequent School Shootings: America is a big Country, California alone has more people than all of Canada and also has/had stricter gun laws and considerably more shootings than us. Painting the entire US with the same broad brush is a common mistake.

But, depending on data source, national statistics of 288 vs 2 in the past decade is telling. California has had 54 since 2008 (I think the 2 still stands for us). If you use the typical 10x comparison, we should have had 20, which is a long way from 288. Gun law variations aside, there is obviously something in the 'national psyche' that drives this trend.

My family has been in North America since the late 1600s and is present on both sides of the border. I've got cousins in New Hampshire, Massachusetts & Pennsylvania. A Union wouldn't bother me in the least, it would make family reunions easier .

Some family members have trouble crossing the border?

 

[lenaitch]

And an American Annexation of Canada would probably look much like Russia's Annexation of Crimea. I seriously doubt a shot would even be fired. 10th Mtn Division would simply cross the border and drive to Ottawa.

“The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.” Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812

 

[FSTO]

Canada's biggest issue is a distinct lack of culture and national identity. We used to have a culture but it's been eroded.

I don't know who said it but I like how mostly accurate it is;

"Canada could of had the best of everything, French Culture, US Engineering, and British Government. Instead we embraced French Government, US Culture and British Engineering."

 

[IKnowNothing]

Yesterday (the day before) I posted a binary about Trump motives- is this a negotiation ploy/ statecraft for legitimate non-expansionist aims, or does he really want Canada?

Third option- this is a negotiation ploy for expansionist aims that do not include the annexation of Canada in it's entirety. Neither Greenland nor the Panama Canal share a border with the US. Neither come with pesky major populations to integreate. They're strategic real estate pure and simple. Adding all of Canada would be a constitutional shitshow that would destabilize American politics. Strongarming us into giving up the territories to turn Alaska into a single state stretching from the Bering Strait to Baffin Bay (if not the Greenland Sea) gives the US control of the Northern trade routes, the minerals, and a military buffer zone that they can freely utilize without caring about the sovereignty of Allied nations- is a different thing entirely. It not only more closely aligns with the other two plays in scale and scope, but combines with them to create a cogent strategic objective.

And 99% of the Canadian population wouldn't give two shits outside of an initial flurry of righteous indignation, especially against the mentally established alternative of all becoming American.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And 99% of the Canadian population wouldn't give two shits outside of an initial flurry of righteous indignation, especially against the mentally established alternative of all becoming American.

That's the nail getting bashed on the head.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

But, depending on data source, national statistics of 288 vs 2 in the past decade is telling. California has had 54 since 2008 (I think the 2 still stands for us). If you use the typical 10x comparison, we should have had 20, which is a long way from 288. Gun law variations aside, there is obviously something in the 'national psyche' that drives this trend.

It ain't the guns though, can we just put that out there. If gun ownership was the sole factor, Montana and Alberta would be the most violent places in North America.

Some family members have trouble crossing the border?

Not if there isn't a border anymore. The East Coast of Canada would be better off as part of the United States. Confederation actually harmed the East Coast significantly and it has never recovered.

“The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.” Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812

There are no British Regulars in Canada and there will be no repeat of Queenston Heights.

Yesterday (the day before) I posted a binary about Trump motives- is this a negotiation ploy/ statecraft for legitimate non-expansionist aims, or does he really want Canada?

Third option- this is a negotiation ploy for expansionist aims that do not include the annexation of Canada in it's entirety. Neither Greenland nor the Panama Canal share a border with the US. Neither come with pesky major populations to integreate. They're strategic real estate pure and simple. Adding all of Canada would be a constitutional shitshow that would destabilize American politics. Strongarming us into giving up the territories to turn Alaska into a single state stretching from the Bering Strait to Baffin Bay (if not the Greenland Sea) gives the US control of the Northern trade routes, the minerals, and a military buffer zone that they can freely utilize without caring about the sovereignty of Allied nations- is a different thing entirely. It not only more closely aligns with the other two plays in scale and scope, but combines with them to create a cogent strategic objective.

And 99% of the Canadian population wouldn't give two shits outside of an initial flurry of righteous indignation, especially against the mentally established alternative of all becoming American.

The US already owns most of the Natural Resources in Canada because it owns all the Companies that own them. It wants to exploit them and it wants our Govt(s) to GTFO of the way.

I could see the ultimate goal being the US pressuring us to change our stance on the NW Passage & our UNCLOS interpretation. That and allowing then to build additional Military bases in the High Arctic. We have shown no interest in developing our North so the Americans are going to do it for us.

That's the nail getting bashed on the head.

Yep... the initial indignation would be followed by "what are you going to do about it?" .... the answer would be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

There seems to be this myth that some sort of Canadian Mujahideen would emerge. This myth is perpetuated by champagne urbanites least prepared for any sort of insurrection. It falls apart when they realize it is they and not someone else who would have to do the fighting.

My take is the rural folk would probably welcome the Americans and stick it to Ottawa.

 

[Remius]

I think it's inevitable. And we should probably be working to get our selves the best position possible.

You’ll be disappointed then. Not a single politician of any stripe seems keen on any of that.

No we shouldn’t be setting our selves up to become American either.

 

[FSTO]

Not if there isn't a border anymore.

Prior to 911, the 49th parallel was largely just a speed bump (for you easterners, the 49th runs from Lake of the Woods to Tsawwassen). It would be nice if we could go back to those days, but I know they are gone for good.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Prior to 911, the 49th parallel was largely just a speed bump (for you easterners, the 49th runs from Lake of the Woods to Tsawwassen). It would be nice if we could go back to those days, but I know they are gone for good.

Yep, I miss those days and want then back.

Two Nations, One Border would be great for us. But things would need to change substantially here in terms of mentality for that to happen.

 

[FSTO]

On the lack of Canadian culture. Well we only have ourselves to blame. When an Canadian entertainer is a nobody until they get recognized in the States, when a sports figure is basically a nobody until they play in the United States, when our largest city ignores domestic culture, sports leagues and media figures and pines to be just like New York or LA. It is no wonder we are consistently teetering on the edge of absorption by the Excited States of America.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yep... the initial indignation would be followed by "what are you going to do about it?" .... the answer would be ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

There seems to be this myth that some sort of Canadian Mujahideen would emerge. This myth is perpetuated by champagne urbanites least prepared for any sort of insurrection. It falls apart when they realize it is they and not someone else who would have to do the fighting.

My take is the rural folk would probably welcome the Americans and stick it to Ottawa.

I think those urbanites you talk about would expect others to take up the fight. Hard living and violence aren't their thing.

You’ll be disappointed then. Not a single politician of any stripe seems keen on any of that.

No we shouldn’t be setting our selves up to become American either.

It doesn't matter if they are or not. We live next to a juggernaut that has the ability to dictate to us.

I don't want to be American, but I'm also a realist. This once great country has been squandered. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Rifleman62]

"Canada could of had the best of everything, French Culture, US Engineering, and British Government. Instead we embraced French Government, US Culture and British Engineering."

Add, when Trudeau 1 was destroying Canada:
The US has Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Canada has no cash and no hope.