U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[Baz]

Baz, I would quibble with one aspect of your post. The only person who gives advice to the Crown is the Prime Minister. The leader of his majesty’s loyal opposition only has two jobs- to oppose and to be prepared to form government. How they go about it is their business. I would prefer a more sober opposition, but we are in performative times.

I agree in its current form. I was harkening back to a long time ago… the crown only let it exist to provide advice (and again, an oversimplification; the relationship between the house “of the people” and British Royalty has always been… complex).

However, what I was trying to say, somewhat clumsily, is the role of the opposition is not to simply oppose (Question Period notwithstanding, it has always been theatrical). It’s to meaningfully engage, especially in committee, to make the government do what’s best for the country (to the extent party politics allows). PP’s approach, and Trudeau’s response to it, seem overly childish and not helpful in the long run.

I know there are a lot of people who applaud when someone “tells it like it is,” even if that’s just hurling insults and slanders. Forgive me if I don’t happily jump on to that particular band wagon.

 

[FSTO]

In my view, here is the saddest part… none of it really matters.

I think the “fat, dumb, and happy” rule will continue. Which means the actual elites (not the ones Trump and PP tell you they are) will keep us all just happy enough that we won’t do anything about it.

And they keep encouraging are elected representatives to think they are arguing over very important things, even though it is mostly noise.

Do you think the US would be much different if Trump had a second term. The next four years will be turbulent and interesting, but nothing will really change. Do people honestly believe that Trudeau alone caused us to be where we are, and not our own self centerism and materialism? Or PP is going to solve all that.

We’ll just trundle along like we always have, until the world around us changes to the point that our society either pivots, or dies and another one rises.

 

[Lumber]

Maybe, maybe not. The last decade has seen this country become the joke it is thanks to the traitors in power.

You know what you and others calling our leaders Traitors make you sound like?

It makes you sound like the Pro-palestinian crowd calling Israel's response "genocide".

It cheapens the word, and it makes you look naive and petulant.

 

[DBNSG]

I agree in its current form. I was harkening back to a long time ago… the crown only let it exist to provide advice (and again, an oversimplification; the relationship between the house “of the people” and British Royalty has always been… complex).

However, what I was trying to say, somewhat clumsily, is the role of the opposition is not to simply oppose (Question Period notwithstanding, it has always been theatrical). It’s to meaningfully engage, especially in committee, to make the government do what’s best for the country (to the extent party politics allows). PP’s approach, and Trudeau’s response to it, seem overly childish and not helpful in the long run.

I know there are a lot of people who applaud when someone “tells it like it is,” even if that’s just hurling insults and slanders. Forgive me if I don’t happily jump on to that particular band wagon.

I have to disagree on one large point about our official opposition. I happened to trip over a Youtube video of a speech Poilievre gave at a construction site in Vancouver in September 2022. It was a quite detailed set of housing policy idea's that got very little mainstream coverage. The funny thing is the Liberals turned those idea's into policy within six months. Too late for Fraser but it was a real life example of keep your mouth shut until the writ is dropped. Let the Libs swing in the wind and I hope the Feds wind up where Telfords drove the Ontario Provincial Liberal party. To irrelevance.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Saw this while at the gym this morning - PP presenting a 10-minute unified theory of dealing with Trump & Co. Clearly comes out against the 51st state line, but outlines in detail how to sell Canada's strengths to POTUS47 while reminding the U.S. of what they need from Canada. Those who like that sort of thing also get to hear him say why Trump's 51st state comments are PMJT's fault

Pierre Poilievre's message to Donald Trump

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says he has 'the strength and the smarts' to stand up for Canada against Trump.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Jarnhamar]

You know what you and others calling our leaders Traitors make you sound like?

Is it your opinion that Trudeau wasn't aware of the political interference happening and hasn't been suppressing, or at least been aware of it being suppressed, to further his and his parties goals and such?

 

[Remius]

Saw this while at the gym this morning - PP presenting a 10-minute unified theory of dealing with Trump & Co. Clearly comes out against the 51st state line, but outlines in detail how to sell Canada's strengths to POTUS47 while reminding the U.S. of what they need from Canada. Those who like that sort of thing also get to hear him say why Trump's 51st state comments are PMJT's fault

Pierre Poilievre's message to Donald Trump

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says he has 'the strength and the smarts' to stand up for Canada against Trump.

www.ctvnews.ca

That and Fords position of revealing what could happen if the musk administration pushes tariffs. A relatively good declaration from PP. “Stand up for Canada against trump”

The maga supporters in Canada who just want Canada to roll over will have a matrix feedback error trying to square all that.

 

[Rifleman62]

It’s to meaningfully engage, especially in committee, to make the government do what’s best for the country (to the extent party politics allows).

Being retired allows me to actually watch the various Committee hearings where the CPC and sometimes the Bloq attempt to get the truth from witnesses.

The Liberals have the numbers advantage, plus NDP members support. Thus control the Commitee hearings. Impossible to get transparency on government business.

Between the Points of Order, calling (and voting) for adjournment from the Liberal members when the questioning gets hot, hardly any transparency.

Other than the Auditor General, and the then Deputy Minister of DND, the rest of the Public Servant witnesses don't know anything, don't know who is responsible, don't know who signed off, never checked for ongoing financial management and on and on.

I hope the CPC takes note of these Public Servants and their staff when it comes time to cut.

You should watch (record) some of the Committee hearings when Parliament comes back and is not Prorogued. Somewhat boring because of the constant interruptions by the Liberals.

Just look at the list of Liberal scandals.

You may change your mind re the quote above.

 

[dimsum]

Is it your opinion that Trudeau wasn't aware of the political interference happening and hasn't been suppressing, or at least been aware of it being suppressed, to further his and his parties goals and such?

So once again, need I remind folks in general that maybe the serving members of the CAF might not want to accuse their own govt of traitorous or treasonous behaviour? Just a thought.

I don’t care what the retired / civilians do - they don’t have rules on social media or restrictions on speech while in uniform.

 

[Quirky]

So once again, need I remind folks in general that maybe the serving members of the CAF might not want to accuse their own govt of traitorous or treasonous behaviour? Just a thought.

I don’t care what the retired / civilians do - they don’t have rules on social media or restrictions on speech while in uniform.

Assuming they are still serving....

 

[ArmyRick]

You know what you and others calling our leaders Traitors make you sound like?

It makes you sound like the Pro-palestinian crowd calling Israel's response "genocide".

How in the blue blazes fuck did you jump to that comparison?

 

[ArmyRick]

So once again, need I remind folks in general that maybe the serving members of the CAF might not want to accuse their own govt of traitorous or treasonous behaviour? Just a thought.

I don’t care what the retired / civilians do - they don’t have rules on social media or restrictions on speech while in uniform.

Hope you heed the same advice when Pierre Poilievre is YOUR prime minister. Sooner most likely than later. Cheers,

 

[Remius]

Hope you heed the same advice when Pierre Poilievre is YOUR prime minister. Sooner most likely than later. Cheers,

No one has labelled him a traitor or leaned into doing so either.

Plenty have done so with YOUR current PM

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Hope you heed the same advice when Pierre Poilievre is YOUR prime minister. Sooner most likely than later. Cheers,

I serve the Crown (as do it's Ministers) and all it represents in deed and word for His Majesty's Canadian interest and subjects.

If that First Minister is Mr. Polievre, so be it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So once again, need I remind folks in general that maybe the serving members of the CAF might not want to accuse their own govt of traitorous or treasonous behaviour? Just a thought.

I don’t care what the retired / civilians do - they don’t have rules on social media or restrictions on speech while in uniform.

A great reminder, thank you.

Does this extend to ridiculing and disparaging the government's and leaders of our allies?

 

[ArmyRick]

No one has labelled him a traitor or leaned into doing so either.

Plenty have done so with YOUR current PM

I am not serving. So I will say. Our Prime Minister has betrayed the nation, indigenous peoples, immigrants, refugees, our allies, our future generations, our elderly, our disabled. The Prime Minister (for now) has served his selfish needs, his ego and his image above the needs of the country. He is a TRAITOR. I will gladly speak for all who can't and are muffled.

You were so damn quick to come and make a comment. Many here notice.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Hope you heed the same advice when Pierre Poilievre is YOUR prime minister ...

No one has labelled him a traitor or leaned into doing so either.

Plenty have done so with YOUR current PM

Anytime I see a F**k Trudeau flag, I kinda wonder how some people would respond to the same level of disrespect was shown to a future PMPP. I'm sure everyone would be comfortable with a similar level and tone of disagreement, right? For sure Team Red's 100% been pretty broad brush in some of its criticisms, but if we all seem to be able to be comfortable with "F**k the PM" flags for one PM, one hopes we can also be comfortable with the same for any PM, right?

 

[Remius]

You were so damn quick to come and make a comment. Many here notice.

You really take things personally lol.

Calm yourself.

 

[Quirky]

dimsum is very concerned with random internet user posts who could very well be retired, along with their unhealthy obsession with anything trump and musk in the other thread. I will say though, I still have plenty of people I keep in contact with that ARE still serving, they aren’t exactly shy about voicing their agreement with #51ststate. Open profiles, pictures of them in uniform. Call the MPs! Get the traitors!

US annexing Canada was a fun hypothetical but when Trudeau/Singh get their walking papers, the 51st state nonsense will disappear.

 

[Fabius]

It might be a pedantic point but no CAF oath, commissioning script or scroll etc. has anything to do with the executive branch of our government. The loyalty given in the oath and expected is to the Crown. The loyalty is not to the prime minister or cabinet it’s to the King.

It is theoretically possible for a situation to arise where the CAF would have to take a stand against the executive branch in favour of the King and the country.
Despite the increasing power of the prime minister, the position is also subservient to the crown… technically.