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Trump administration 2024-2028
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FJAG
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The legislation speaks of refusing to take a vaccination "without reasonable excuse." The explanatory notes, provide the following as guidance:
It would be up to a court to determine in each particular case what is a "reasonable excuse." Remember that in law reasonable is an objective test and not a subjective one. It becomes a question of what would the general public consider reasonable and not just the individual or a small group of individuals would think is reasonable. Regretfully, through wide-spread misinformation, the size of the group of vax deniers is growing daily, which greatly increases the risk of long-suppressed diseases making a general comeback in the population.
Science has progressed. The principles, techniques and media for creating vaccines are generally known and well understood. One doesn't need years of testing anymore to determine the safety of a process long proven. In cases like an easily spread respiratory infection with a high death and transmission rate one doesn't have the luxury of time to conduct exhaustive tests for each new case. It's a risk assessment like many things in life - will more people die or be incapacitated without the vaccine or will more people die or suffer ill effects from the vaccine itself?
OldSolduer
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Which is really ironic as science has been questioned by other scientists - well forever.
The science is NEVER settled...unlike some would have you believe.
Jarnhamar
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They considered it so safe that they attempted to lock away the safety data for 75 years and had "can't sue us" caveats. Now the FOI requests are estimated to take 55 years.
The US government also actively censored information regarding cases where the vaccine had harmful side effects (on top of the public shaming campaign).
I suppose one could justify that as the government knowing best and doing it for our own good .
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OldSolduer
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The mRNA vaccine types are the newest. Apparently they are cheaper but have a shelf life.
More info here:
Social media and vaccine hesitancy - PubMed
There is a significant relationship between organisation on social media and public doubts of vaccine safety. In addition, there is a substantial relationship between foreign disinformation campaigns and declining vaccination coverage.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Vaccines do not change your DNA or cause autism. Nor they do introduce nano tech to your body.
Jarnhamar
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You know who aren't morons? US congress. They manage to have a near clairvoyant ability to guess when stocks are going up and down - like the 40 who put stock into Pfizer in 2018.
But I agree, anti-vaxers are idiots. Of course there's a big difference between a proven 70 year old vaccine and a very lucrative 5 year old one that the government obfuscates.
Unfortunately with the Trump administration and his/his hard core supporters penchant for extreme views, I can see a lot of people moving to the anti-vaxer side and see an even larger uptick in measles, polio, and likely other diseases.
OldSolduer
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What are mRNA vaccines? - Harvard Health
An mRNA vaccine induces human immune cells to make the same protein that's on the surface of a virus, which then educates the immune system to attack the virus....
www.health.harvard.edu
mRNA in a nutshell.
Halifax Tar
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You mean like Ivermectin, the horse dewormer ?
Questioning is one thing. But I have known two people who died of Covid and didn’t get any of the vaccines. Also, a neighbour of mine has long Covid and has suffered damage to her heart (cardiomyopathy) as a result. As much as I don’t want to get any injections of any kind the threats posed by Covid are IMHO much worse.
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The legislation speaks of refusing to take a vaccination "without reasonable excuse." The explanatory notes, provide the following as guidance:
It would be up to a court to determine in each particular case what is a "reasonable excuse." Remember that in law reasonable is an objective test and not a subjective one. It becomes a question of what would the general public consider reasonable and not just the individual or a small group of individuals would think is reasonable. Regretfully, through wide-spread misinformation, the size of the group of vax deniers is growing daily, which greatly increases the risk of long-suppressed diseases making a general comeback in the population.
Science has progressed. The principles, techniques and media for creating vaccines are generally known and well understood. One doesn't need years of testing anymore to determine the safety of a process long proven. In cases like an easily spread respiratory infection with a high death and transmission rate one doesn't have the luxury of time to conduct exhaustive tests for each new case. It's a risk assessment like many things in life - will more people die or be incapacitated without the vaccine or will more people die or suffer ill effects from the vaccine itself?
Reasonable can never be objective. It is always the sum of opinions.
Even if the entire population bar one is convinced of the validity of a course of action it does not preclude the possibility that, when the proposition is put to the test, that that solitary, unique individual, the unreasonable holdout, is objectively correct.
Donald Trump is the reasonable solution.
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Interesting, I don't know anyone who died from it or is suffering from 'long covid'. And everyone I know that had it, myself included, thought it was a big nothing burger.
I had it and didn't have a symptom. Even more weird I actually got more sick from the vaccination.
Count yourself lucky then. I have and I do know someone who died (granted she was quite old) and a few that live with long COVID.
It was relatively minor for me as well. But I had two shots by then. My brother had 1 shot annd caught a new variant before he could get his second and it was quite bad.
I also don’t know anyone with measles or polio.
Lucky. I’d give anything for my wife to have her pre-COVID life and health back. For me it was basically a bad flu both times. She got it once right at the start and has never recovered save for a pretty significant remission while she was pregnant, potentially due to increased blood volume.
A ton of research has been going into long COVID and related syndromes believed to have a postviral cause. Some studies are starting to bear fruit, but a lot of people are living pretty much out of sight with some really awful long term disability and probably will be for a while yet even under the most optimistic circumstances.
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I do agree with you 100% the threats posed by Covid are much worse (as a whole) than potential vaccine side effects. The issue isn't that black and white.
Politicians shouldn't be allowed to get rich through a chain of events that involve all but enforcing citizens to get get experimental vaccines with secret safety data. Hopefully Trump for all his faults decides to crack that open and shed light on it.
Wasn’t operation warp speed his operation?
Yes it was, and he was very happy to claim credit for its success.
In fairness I believe he deserves at least some leadership credit for that particular initiative. It was called for by events and his administration pushed hard to make it happen. Fortunately RFK wasn’t part of the government his first time round. I shudder to imagine how the incoming administration would deal with a similar crisis.
I don’t disagree. He should indeed get credit for that.