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Trump administration 2024-2028

ModlrMike said:
Even after a change in government, new trading relationships and supply chains will be cemented, and there will be no appetite to return to prior arrangements. The US has proven itself an unreliable partner, an nobody is going to trust their word again.
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They promised the collapse of the first Trump regime was a turning point and they would never go back. Now they have installed Trump 2.0 and it is worse. Through the interim period, they were unable to hold antidemocratic criminals to account for crimes against democracy. There will be no global return to the old world order until the US can demonstrate that it cannot be returned to the Trump order … and even then it may never happen. The erosion of US influence will be permanent through our lifetimes barring the intervention of another global black swan.
 
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ModlrMike said:
Imagine raising the cost of living by 30% overnight. I still marvel that the average American doesn't realize that this is quite literally a tax that they're going to fund from their pockets, not ours. The world is going to shift away from the US being the trade cornerstone and the result is not going to be pretty for them. Even after a change in government, new trading relationships and supply chains will be cemented, and there will be no appetite to return to prior arrangements. The US has proven itself an unreliable partner, an nobody is going to trust their word again.
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Another view is the US is tired of the unreliable partners in it's circle taking advantage of a generous America.

Because of their (US) dangerous debt burden, the US is now taking corrective action to balance that out.

What seems to piss off the US are unfair trade tariffs or defence spending imbalances. Hence the reciprocal tariffs being applied and coercing allies to spend more/do more on defence.

It's easy to just blame big bad America, especially with Trump at the helm. But the US has a point.

If countries like Canada were doing serious things instead of chasing fantasy all these years, we would not be in this position today.
 
QV said:
Another view is the US is tired of the unreliable partners in it's circle taking advantage of a generous America.

Because of their (US) dangerous debt burden, the US is now taking corrective action to balance that out.

What seems to piss off the US are unfair trade tariffs or defence spending imbalances. Hence the reciprocal tariffs being applied and coercing allies to spend more/do more on defence.

It's easy to just blame big bad America, especially with Trump at the helm. But the US has a point.

If countries like Canada were doing serious things instead of chasing fantasy all these years, we would not be in this position today.
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And let’s never be in that position again. Relying on the us alone has been our single point of failure for too long.

Carney said it rightly. The old relationship is over.

Never go back. Friendly sure. Trade with them sure. But never ever let ourselves be as integrated as we once were.
 
Reports like this from CNN make you wonder who's driving decisions in the Trump Whitehouse:

White House fires 3 national security staffers after president meets with far-right activist Laura Loomer​

From CNN's Katie Bo Lillis, Alayna Treene, Kylie Atwood and Kaitlan Collins
The White House fired at least three National Security Council staffers on Wednesday, three sources familiar with the move told CNN.

The firings came after a meeting in which far-right activist Laura Loomer, who once claimed 9/11 was an inside job, urged President Donald Trump to get rid of some National Security Council staff, including his principal deputy national security adviser, claiming they are disloyal. One of the sources said the firings were a direct result of the meeting with Loomer.

It was not immediately apparent on Thursday whether principal deputy national security adviser Alex Wong was among those who had been dismissed. One of the sources speculated that national security adviser Michael Waltz may have been reluctant to fire him because he has been embroiled in the controversy surrounding the recent Signal chat debacle.

The three officials include Brian Walsh, a director for intelligence and a former top staffer for now-Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the Senate Intelligence Committee; Thomas Boodry, a senior director for legislative affairs who previously served as Waltz’s legislative director in Congress; and David Feith, a senior director overseeing technology and national security who served in the State Department during Trump’s first administration.

CNN has reached out to the National Security Council.

Waltz had been in the Oval Office for other meetings when Loomer arrived Wednesday for a private audience with Trump and stayed as the president met with Loomer.

Loomer told CNN on Thursday that she wasn’t divulging details of the Oval Office meeting out of respect for Trump.
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Remius said:
And let’s never be in that position again. Relying on the us alone has been our single point of failure for too long.

Carney said it rightly. The old relationship is over.

Never go back. Friendly sure. Trade with them sure. But never ever let ourselves be as integrated as we once were.
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That is one approach. But I don't think we would do well. Are you really going to try and diversify away to markets with longer supply chains and as many if not more tariffs?

IMO, the smarter approach is more integration. EU style integration with the US and Mexico (and Greenland). A North American Union.
 
That is capi
QV said:
IMO, the smarter approach is more integration. EU style integration with the US and Mexico (and Greenland). A North American Union.
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That is capitulation, not integration.

Paying off or deferring to the bully didn't work for me as a child (it has been a very long time since I have been bullied...), and it will definitely not work as a citizen of the sovereign country that I live in, and you have agreed to defend with your life.
 
QV said:
That is one approach. But I don't think we would do well. Are you really going to try and diversify away to markets with longer supply chains and as many if not more tariffs?
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Adaptation will happen. Dropping our own internal trade barriers is already something that will help.
QV said:
IMO, the smarter approach is more integration. EU style integration with the US and Mexico (and Greenland). A North American Union.
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The US is undoing integration. They are not interested clearly in any of that.

Again a EU style system can’t work in a North American context unless it’s complete surrender.
 
Remius said:
And let’s never be in that position again. Relying on the us alone has been our single point of failure for too long.

Carney said it rightly. The old relationship is over.

Never go back. Friendly sure. Trade with them sure. But never ever let ourselves be as integrated as we once were.
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I'd argue that the current integration is fine - but it just needs to be not a case of all our eggs in one basket. There is the need for greater trade with other entities - EU, UK, Japan, SK, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, etc.

That will require WORK and not compliancy which has been the CDN way for the last 50yrs. Its sooooo easy to sell to the US, they are right there, they are soooo similar to us, their legal framework/courts are solidly reliable, they speak English, its a short drive or flight to your clients sites, etc, etc. For majority of the other countries listed above its not necessarily the same thing. It will require ALOT more effort, time, money, sweat equity, etc.

Its pretty easy to establish a relationship with a guy from Michigan if your from Windsor - you both will watch U of M or MSU football games on tv or in person, you both will watch the Tigers, Lions, Red Wings, Pistons on tv or in person. You both may or not may fish for Pickerel/Walleyes on the Detroit River when their are running in the spring.

Now imagine that your flying to Japan or Brazil to meet a new client for your companies groundbreaking new Magic Widget. What do you have in common with that new client? Do they speak enough English to make themselves understood to you? Have you made any effort to learn Japanese or Brazilian Portuguese? Will you like the food when they take you out to entertain you? What sports or hobbies will you have potentially in common with them? Will you be able to put in enough time/effort in the 3-5 days that your there onsite to begin to establish some trust, some understanding of their needs/wants during this time? In some parts of the world, its all about the relationship and trust - trust is a huge part of it.

The other key factor is that ALOT of the companies based in Canada are simply 'transplant' offices for mother companies in other parts of the world, placed in Canada because of our location and ability to sell easily/painlessly into the US. We will need to create new CDN 'Champions' to promote Canada and to be able to see their goods around the world. There are precious few of these left....
 
dapaterson said:
Good to know who friends are - presumably, those nations not having tariffs placed on them. Good reliable friends like Cuba, Russia and North Korea.
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Every country is getting a blanket 10% tariff placed on their exports. It's just the friendly nations that were "lucky" enough to be greater suppliers of goods to the US that have been "rewarded" with even higher "reciprocal" tariff rates.

So yeah, so glad we're such good "friends" with the Americans
 
GR66 said:
Every country is getting a blanket 10% tariff placed on their exports. It's just the friendly nations that were "lucky" enough to be greater suppliers of goods to the US that have been "rewarded" with even higher "reciprocal" tariff rates.

So yeah, so glad we're such good "friends" with the Americans
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With friends like this, who needs enemas?
 
Just to be fair to any individual person on THE Signal chat of the month, maybe someone read this? ;)
www.niemanlab.org

How to leak to a journalist

Planning to leak? Read these tips first.
www.niemanlab.org

TL;DR​


— Personal devices only
— Don’t leak from work, on a work device, or from work Wi-Fi
— Use Signal and Signal’s camera
— The reporter should recreate any image you leak before displaying it to the public
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QV said:
That is one approach. But I don't think we would do well. Are you really going to try and diversify away to markets with longer supply chains and as many if not more tariffs?

IMO, the smarter approach is more integration. EU style integration with the US and Mexico (and Greenland). A North American Union.
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I've always wanted to go down this path but not some much using the EU integration as the example - as I'm not wanting us to;
a) have a common currency or the tying of each of the countries currencies together by trading within a pre-set range of movement
b) have the 'free movement of people' (I had this thought initially but I'm turning away from it),
c) don't want to see any form of a 'European Court of Justice' system transferred and applied here,
d) not sure I want us to confirm to the USDA standards on what can/cannot be fed/given to livestock and/or applied to crops
e) I would not be onboard with the tying together of the interest policies of each of the countries
f) I would not be onboard with the tying of environmental standard polices of each of the countries

If you are talking about a common screening process for travelers/tourists, where each and every country has a common entry process - and NO countries process/standards 'trumps' the others, yes I can get aboard with that. If you are talking about the movement of goods tariff free, unfettered, I could possibly get on board with that.
 
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