Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[Rifleman62]

Or stay in the Party and vote for the opposition non confidence.

 

[Good2Golf]

True dat, I forgot to add that to the list of ‘actions on.’

Separate from those actions, I have heard of rumblings South of the 49th as to decreasing tolerance towards Canada’s weak/ineffective response to China’s threatening state-on-state action. I sense that Canada will ‘be told’ before Christmas…

 

[FSTO]

Question - do Cabinet ministers make more than regular MPs?

Quite substantial.

Indemnities, Salaries and Allowances

 

[dapaterson]

Quite substantial.

Indemnities, Salaries and Allowances

So a BGen gets paid more than a member of parliament is what you're saying...

 

[dimsum]

So a BGen gets paid more than a member of parliament is what you're saying...

Short of war casualties, 20-something year olds don’t become BGens.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Shannon Proudfoot, writing in today's Globe and Mail, gets it about right, I think:

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The mincing coup attempt on Justin Trudeau failed, but it wouldn’t have helped much if it had succeeded​

SHANNON PROUDFOOT
OTTAWA
PUBLISHED 1 HOUR AGO

This week in Ottawa, Justin Trudeau faced off against a small herd of rebellious Liberals who, as it turned out, all showed up for the staring contest with a raging case of pink eye.

Basically, two dozen of his MPs whispered, “Please go away,” and the Prime Minister said, “No,” and smiled his Cheshire Cat smile, and then everyone went back to what they were doing before.

The most docile and mincing coup attempt in the history of the world began a couple of weeks ago, with leaks about a letter signed by an unclear number of MPs, asking Mr. Trudeau to resign as Liberal Leader because of how the public had soured on him and on his government. This letter was to be presented at Wednesday’s caucus meeting, along with a broader venting of worries and frustrations.

The best detail by far to emerge from this drama was the fact that at the meeting, British Columbia MP Patrick Weiler read the breakup letter aloud, and the Prime Minister was told that 24 MPs had signed it, but they would not be revealing who they were.

This is objectively hilarious. Try to imagine Mr. Trudeau’s facial expression when confronted by this level of bravado. Even better: Picture the faces of the two dozen anonymous rebels sweating through their shoes in the midst of their caucus colleagues. We can only hope they were wearing Groucho Marx disguises.

Just before the meeting started, Mr. Trudeau had bounded down the stairs from his office and past the herd of reporters to slip into the caucus room. He did not have the stench of death around him; he didn’t even look like he was having an especially bad day at work. Now we know why: He was about to be mauled by a basket of kittens.

Not that the unnamed signatories are alone in their grievances or in noticing some larger impending political carnage. Another B.C. MP, Ken Hardie, reported that some 50 people spoke at the caucus meeting, though it’s unclear how many were critical of the Prime Minister rather than supportive.

It’s not surprising that the calls are starting to come from inside the House – even if some of the voices on the line are whimpering to disguise their identity. The Liberals are now mired behind the Tories by fat polling margins, they have lost two supposedly safe by-elections and every press conference seems to feature at least one question about why people hate them so much.

It’s not a new or transient phenomenon. In the spring of 2023, the Conservatives had pulled ahead by a few points, says Philippe J. Fournier, editor-in-chief of the polling site 338Canada, but given that the Tories had won the popular vote by one point in the last two federal elections, that was status quo.

“It really was June, July and August ‘23 that the wheels fell off,” he says. “Like something that I had never seen before.”

By late summer, the Conservatives had opened up a double-digit lead; by Christmas, it was 15 points; and by the spring of 2024, it had reached the 20-point chasm where it’s been hovering since, Mr. Fournier says.

There’s a page on Canada 338 that shows seat projections based on current polling. Little squares represent every MP in the House of Commons, with bright red denoting current seats the Liberals are expected to retain and black Xs indicating held seats they’re on track to lose.

Every region of the country that has been a Liberal bastion is a forest of angry black Xs. The entire province of B.C. could send a single Liberal back to Ottawa in the next election, according to 338Canada’s projections, and fortress Ontario would be carved down from 77 current Liberal MPs to 15, and another seven seats are toss-ups.

Nearly two-thirds of the 153-member caucus could expect to lose their jobs, based on those seat counts.

“Right now, if I look at the data, the best-case scenario for the Liberals would be an honourable defeat, pretty much like Stephen Harper,” Mr. Fournier says of the 2015 election, when the Conservatives were shaved down to 99 seats and 32 per cent of the popular vote.

There are many other plausible outcomes on the books that would be a whole lot uglier.

But the same dire circumstances that explain why some MPs have started to agitate for big change at the top – even if their courage isn’t rising as fast as their panic – also makes the whole exercise seem a tad pointless.

Surely, if you could ask the Liberal agitators how many polling points they figure it would be worth to have a fresh face leading their bedraggled nine-year-old government, none of them would pin that bounce at 20 percentage points. Maybe they figure it’s worth 10 or 20 seats, even in a country profoundly fatigued with their party, and in the most hopeful compartment of their heart, they may believe one of those seats would be their own.

The Liberals have been living inside a very deep and dark political hole for a long time, and that sucking sound at their feet does not suggest the sun is getting any closer. Having one less guy in the pit with them isn’t going to change that, but it must be hard to stand still and do nothing while you wait for the earth to cave in around your ears.

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Prime Minister Trudeau is hanging on for his own very personal reasons but his party is deeply divided and divided parties do not, cannot win elections. My guess is that he will "lead" his Liberal Party to third, maybe even fourth party status in the House of Commons when we go to the polls next year. Many will applaud his feat.

I'm not sure it's over. We'll see when the first non confidence vote comes along. If they are serious and uncowed, one would expect them to vote against the party. Fingers crossed that intestinal fortitude hasn't disappeared from the liberal party and enough are willing to dump him. It's not like most don't recognise their political career is effectively over anyway. May as well bring down the putz that killed your political aspirations while you're on the way out the door.

 

[George Wallace]

True dat, I forgot to add that to the list of ‘actions on.’

Separate from those actions, I have heard of rumblings South of the 49th as to decreasing tolerance towards Canada’s weak/ineffective response to China’s threatening state-on-state action. I sense that Canada will ‘be told’ before Christmas…

In my opinion, NO family has done as much damage to "the Interests of Canada" than the Trudeau family.

Justin Trudeau has alienated Canada politically in the Five Eyes Community, NATO, NORAD, and every other alliance Canada is/was in. Justin behaves like a spoiled little rich, narcissistic child living in a fantasy world thinking he is a supreme leader.

I love comments, when they appear, on Trudeau from Gad Saad. They seem to describe Justin to a "T".

 

[George Wallace]

I'm not sure it's over. We'll see when the first non confidence vote comes along. If they are serious and uncowed, one would expect them to vote against the party. Fingers crossed that intestinal fortitude hasn't disappeared from the liberal party and enough are willing to dump him. It's not like most don't recognise their political career is effectively over anyway. May as well bring down the putz that killed your political aspirations while you're on the way out the door.

I think it would be better for all concerned, if Trudeau did not step down. It would not do well for a new leader of the LPC to enter the next Election, having let Trudeau leave on a relatively "high note" of having won three elections. Let Trudeau, as leader, be defeated soundly and take a bite out of his narcissistic ego.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Back to PMJT, even a hard-left socialist journal says it's time to GTFO ....

Canada to Justin Trudeau: Please, It’s Time to Let Go

Despite plummeting polls, by-election losses, and growing calls for his resignation, Canada’s prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has so far refused to step down. With his leadership under siege, this winter may bring deep discontent for Trudeau.

jacobin.com

 

[brihard]

Short of war casualties, 20-something year olds don’t become BGens.

Backbencher MPs also have relatively little real responsibility.

 

[Good2Golf]

Back to PMJT, even a hard-left socialist journal says it's time to GTFO ....

Canada to Justin Trudeau: Please, It’s Time to Let Go

Despite plummeting polls, by-election losses, and growing calls for his resignation, Canada’s prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has so far refused to step down. With his leadership under siege, this winter may bring deep discontent for Trudeau.

jacobin.com

Honestly, how much more could he screw the country over in the next 11 months? He’s already added more debt than the total of all previous PMs added TOGETHER…he’s got us almost kicked out of FVEYs…he’s keeping us from finding out how badly Canada has been compromised by China…he continues to play the victim to India while looking the other way from the LPC fundraising nexus of a large community that many members support independence from India…

I’m pretty sure things couldn’t get any worse, so let’s see him stay until October 20, 2025…or October 27, let’s be honest…he might as well push for the ‘Diwali bump’…and wear the Downfall with honour!

 

[CBH99]

Between Trudeau's

Back to PMJT, even a hard-left socialist journal says it's time to GTFO ....

Canada to Justin Trudeau: Please, It’s Time to Let Go

Despite plummeting polls, by-election losses, and growing calls for his resignation, Canada’s prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has so far refused to step down. With his leadership under siege, this winter may bring deep discontent for Trudeau.

jacobin.com

His polls are rock bottom across the country. He has lost key byelections in areas that were one Liberal strongholds. The other political parties are calling for an immediate election. His own caucus isn't just encouraging, but demanding he steps down immediately. He has more scandals on the go on any given day than any PM in history...

That he can choose to stay in power at all at this point just goes to show how hollow our democracy has become, and how little we collectively expect of it.


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The moment him & Freeland basically became public that they take their marching orders from a f**king Nazi, who's various ideas are funded in large part by a billionaire who made his initial fortune by ratting out Jews for the Nazis - THAT should have been the moment a mechanism kicked in to have them removed from power immediately...

If anybody here affiliated with neo-Nazis, there would probably be a file or system entries on that person. Chances are if one of us used our workplace and/or our personal power to promote (and if necessary impose and enforce) the neo-Nazi agenda on our communities, we'd face both personal and professional consequences.

So I don't think it's unreasonable for us to say we expect our nation's leader to be distanced from the billionaire's version of such as a course of getting and keeping the position of PM...

 

[Edward Campbell]

Has anyone heard anything about Liberal nominations in ridings, especially in ridings the LPC doesn't hold?

 

[Halifax Tar]

In my opinion, NO family has done as much damage to "the Interests of Canada" than the Trudeau family.

Justin Trudeau has alienated Canada politically in the Five Eyes Community, NATO, NORAD, and every other alliance Canada is/was in. Justin behaves like a spoiled little rich, narcissistic child living in a fantasy world thinking he is a supreme leader.

I love comments, when they appear, on Trudeau from Gad Saad. They seem to describe Justin to a "T".

George!!!!! Good to see you back on the forum. I haven't seen your posts in forever!

Between Trudeau's

His polls are rock bottom across the country. He has lost key byelections in areas that were one Liberal strongholds. The other political parties are calling for an immediate election. His own caucus isn't just encouraging, but demanding he steps down immediately. He has more scandals on the go on any given day than any PM in history...

That he can choose to stay in power at all at this point just goes to show how hollow our democracy has become, and how little we collectively expect of it.


...


The moment him & Freeland basically became public that they take their marching orders from a f**king Nazi, who's various ideas are funded in large part by a billionaire who made his initial fortune by ratting out Jews for the Nazis - THAT should have been the moment a mechanism kicked in to have them removed from power immediately...

If anybody here affiliated with neo-Nazis, there would probably be a file or system entries on that person. Chances are if one of us used our workplace and/or our personal power to promote (and if necessary impose and enforce) the neo-Nazi agenda on our communities, we'd face both personal and professional consequences.

So I don't think it's unreasonable for us to say we expect our nation's leader to be distanced from the billionaire's version of such as a course of getting and keeping the position of PM...

We're normally very closely aligned but I'm a bit blown away over the highlighted part, can you substantiate ?

 

[OldSolduer]

George!!!!! Good to see you back on the forum. I haven't seen your posts in forever!

Were normally very closely aligned but I'm a bit blown away over the highlighted part, can you substantiate ?

I’d like to see that too.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... I'm a bit blown away over the highlighted part, can you substantiate ?

I’d like to see that too.

Is it "New World Order Hungarian Jews for $400," Alex?

George Soros - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

George Soros conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Open Society Foundations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fact Check: Did George Soros help Nazis confiscate Jewish property?

The claim was prompted by Elon Musk comparing George Soros with Magneto, a Holocaust-surviving villain in X-Men.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Is it "New World Order Hungarian Jews for $400," Alex?

George Soros - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

George Soros conspiracy theories - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Open Society Foundations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fact Check: Did George Soros help Nazis confiscate Jewish property?

The claim was prompted by Elon Musk comparing George Soros with Magneto, a Holocaust-surviving villain in X-Men.

www.newsweek.com

Nazi or no, I don't care (I do subscribe that he was though). Given his attempted takedown of the British pound and his Open Borders Society ( amongst a myriad of other disruptive organizations he either owns or support, think ANTIFA and BLM) he's a threat to western society. No matter how some try to slice it, he's a monster that the world can easily do without.

 

[Good2Golf]

Has anyone heard anything about Liberal nominations in ridings, especially in ridings the LPC doesn't hold?

No word in Carleton…they don’t even list a candidate.

Carleton | Liberal Party of Canada

The Carleton Federal Liberal Association represents Justin Trudeau and the Liberal team in your local Electoral District Association (EDA).

liberal.ca

 

[Remius]

No word in Carleton…they don’t even list a candidate.

Carleton | Liberal Party of Canada

The Carleton Federal Liberal Association represents Justin Trudeau and the Liberal team in your local Electoral District Association (EDA).

liberal.ca

Even if they did it wouldn’t matter much.

 

[Haggis]

Backbencher MPs also have relatively little real responsibility.

Their one overarching responsibility is to vote with the government to keep their party in power.