Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[The Bread Guy]

Another former Chretien-ite calling for PMJT to GTFO (link also archived here) ....

No ‘time to waste’: Jean Chrétien's former right-hand man asks Justin Trudeau to step down

Eddie Goldenberg argued an undefeated Trudeau could lead the fight against separatists in Quebec.

nationalpost.com

Justin Trudeau’s Obligation to Canada

National Newswatch: Canada's most comprehensive site for political news and views.

nationalnewswatch.com

Interesting mechanism he suggests for punting the incumbent ....

Don't know if I'd agree with the final sentence, but intriguing, indeed ...

 

[OldSolduer]

Another former Chretien-ite calling for PMJT to GTFO (link also archived here) ....

No ‘time to waste’: Jean Chrétien's former right-hand man asks Justin Trudeau to step down

Eddie Goldenberg argued an undefeated Trudeau could lead the fight against separatists in Quebec.

nationalpost.com

Justin Trudeau’s Obligation to Canada

National Newswatch: Canada's most comprehensive site for political news and views.

nationalnewswatch.com

Interesting mechanism he suggests for punting the incumbent ....
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Don't know if I'd agree with the final sentence, but intriguing, indeed ...

I nominate Ms Freeland…..

 

[brihard]

The chorus is certainly getting louder and the sharks are circling.

 

[Kirkhill]

Another former Chretien-ite calling for PMJT to GTFO (link also archived here) ....

No ‘time to waste’: Jean Chrétien's former right-hand man asks Justin Trudeau to step down

Eddie Goldenberg argued an undefeated Trudeau could lead the fight against separatists in Quebec.

nationalpost.com

Justin Trudeau’s Obligation to Canada

National Newswatch: Canada's most comprehensive site for political news and views.

nationalnewswatch.com

Interesting mechanism he suggests for punting the incumbent ....
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Sounds like a re-write of the plan that resulted in Kamala Harris.

Democracy if necessary but not necessarily democracy.

Don't know if I'd agree with the final sentence, but intriguing, indeed ...

 

[YZT580]

missing two variables to the plan: NDP and Bloc. Would both be better off if they pulled the plug now rather than risk the uncertainty of the new leadership and plan? Granted the NDP is low on funds but they hitched their wagon to Trudeau and without him they could fare even worse. The Bloc stands to make big gains with Trudeau as leader an unknown puts that in jeopardy

 

[Good2Golf]

The chorus is certainly getting louder and the sharks are circling.

Honestly, I want to see him stay for the next little while so that once PP smartens up and takes his security clearing read-in, we can see some more meaningful engagement. If that means we end up seeing impact of any hush-clauses, so be it, but we need to take the extant threat seriously…at the moment, I think Canadians think it’s just a political
Tit for tat thing, not a fundamental threat to our democratic institutions.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If PP was implicated in this meaning his name was on the list would he be able to get a SC ?

 

[Good2Golf]

If PP was implicated in this meaning his name was on the list would he be able to get a SC ?

‘Implicated’ how?

It seems that implicated currently has tow potential meanings:

1) a victim of overt action, like Erin O’Toole or Michael Chong; or

2) a collaborateur, supporting the PRC’s effort to influence Canadian institutions.

I would be genuinely surprised if Poilievre is one of the latter.

 

[Halifax Tar]

‘Implicated’ how?

It seems that implicated currently has tow potential meanings:

1) a victim of overt action, like Erin O’Toole or Michael Chong; or

2) a collaborateur, supporting the PRC’s effort to influence Canadian institutions.

I would be genuinely surprised if Poilievre is one of the latter.

Either or.

I agree with you, I'm just playing a 'what if' game.

 

[FSTO]

Sounds like a re-write of the plan that resulted in Kamala Harris.

Liberal Party of Canada pines to be extras on "The West Wing". It's actually pathetic they genuflect so overtly to the Democrats.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Honestly, I want to see him stay for the next little while ...

If this is to be believed, wish granted (for now, anyway)

Justin Trudeau says his leadership is not in danger as Liberals brace for revolt

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his leadership of the Liberal party is not in danger, even as members of his caucus prepare to confront him Wednesday in the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Couldn't resist

 

[Kirkhill]

Liberal Party of Canada pines to be extras on "The West Wing". It's actually pathetic they genuflect so overtly to the Democrats.

Tony Podesta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

John Podesta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Podesta Group - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And the LPC aren't the only ones.

 

[Good2Golf]

If this is to be believed, wish granted (for now, anyway)

Justin Trudeau says his leadership is not in danger as Liberals brace for revolt

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his leadership of the Liberal party is not in danger, even as members of his caucus prepare to confront him Wednesday in the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Of course his leadership isn’t in danger. He had the LPC constitution changed so the caucus members have no power to oust him. No other Canadian political party’s constitution supports such a draconian power-grab.

The only things they can do are:

1) case by case - breaking from party-whipped vote, in particular for a confidence vote; or

2) leave caucus and either sit as an independent or cross the floor.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Of course his leadership isn’t in danger. He had the LPC constitution changed so the caucus members have no power to oust him. No other Canadian political party’s constitution supports such a draconian power-grab.

The only things they can do are:

1) case by case - breaking from party-whipped vote, in particular for a confidence vote; or

2) leave caucus and either sit as an independent or cross the floor.

I'd LOVE to see Option 1, especially if enough people "call in sick" to make a difference. Then again, I'm likely dreaming because that would take some cojones on the part of the walkers. So far, only one has come out in public ....

PEI Liberal MP Casey signs letter asking Trudeau to resign

Charlottetown Liberal M-P Sean Casey says he's signed a letter asking Prime Minster Justin Trudeau to resign. ...

www.ocean100.com

We'll see how caucus goes tomorrow.

 

[IKnowNothing]

‘Implicated’ how?

It seems that implicated currently has tow potential meanings:

1) a victim of overt action, like Erin O’Toole or Michael Chong; or

2) a collaborateur, supporting the PRC’s effort to influence Canadian institutions.

I would be genuinely surprised if Poilievre is one of the latter.

What about
3) uninvolved (but possibly knowing) benefactor to activities described in 1?

 

[QV]

What about
3) uninvolved (but possibly knowing) benefactor to activities described in 1?

Yes... or

4) a future ring leader of government and the nat security apparatus that received many briefings on CCP electoral interference and since party was benefiting from that did and said nothing and now pretends to not have been told while stonewalling the outcome of the inquiry.

 

[The Bread Guy]

What about
3) uninvolved (but possibly knowing) benefactor to activities described in 1?

... or 3a) uninvolved (and not knowing) benefactor to activities described in 1?

I suggest that because a few cynics out there are saying there's got to be a reason Team Blue's info-machine chose these phrases in the 16 Oct letter (full text attached) responding to Trudeau's "I have a list" @ the Hogue Commission (highlights mine):



Late edit to add: compare those lines to this on the online petition calling for a release of the names (again, highlights mine) ....

Release the names of the parliamentarians colluding with foreign powers - Conservative Party of Canada

www.conservative.ca

 

[ModlrMike]

IMHO, India's actions are more driven by internal goals, where China's are more driven by external goals.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

‘Implicated’ how?

It seems that implicated currently has tow potential meanings:

1) a victim of overt action, like Erin O’Toole or Michael Chong; or

2) a collaborateur, supporting the PRC’s effort to influence Canadian institutions.

I would be genuinely surprised if Poilievre is one of the latter.

You missed a third one. Being a trudeau implied, unidentified, non liberal politician that likely doesn't exist.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

You can't right a shinking ship. No matter who you put on damage control. I don't think new blood can stop the hemorrhaging the party is experiencing. It'll probably be a couple of election cycles before the liberals regain any of the trust they've lost with voters.

You actually can right a sinking ship: That is exactly the whole point of damage control.