"While law enforcement was celebrating thwarting a massive, systematic attack on several southern Ontario targets, these kinds of questions, if not allegations, were being thrown around by lawyers all weekend -- many of whom were complaining about an overzealous Canadian intelligence world. "
And so begins the inevitable donkey show. All of the a-hole forces of civil liberties will rise to assist these idiots, fund raisers for legal defence will be held, and hippies everywhere will have an opportunity to scream at The Man because that is what they do. Meanwhile, somewhere an evil ******* chuckles and remarks about a snake eating its own tail.
Honest to god, I really believe that the arsehole socialists in this country will not be satisfied until there is a smouldering crater and a death toll. The fact is that there will be a horde of information that will not go public due to the sensitive intelligence nature of it. Some people can't stand not knowing (likely the ones who as kids would go into a genuine fit when you would tell them "I've got a secret, I've got a secret").
As for the lack of previous contacts of the suspects, whoever made the observation that they are supposed to lay low was bang on. Another excerpt from my Al-Qaeda training manual:
Necessary Qualifications fro the Organization’s members
8. Patience
[The member] should have plenty of patience for [enduring] afflictions if he is overcome by the enemies. He should not abandon this great path and sell himself and his religion to the enemies for his freedom. He should be patient in performing the work, even if it lasts a long time.
as well:
Measures that Should be Taken by the Undercover Member:
In addition to the above measures, the member should ...
1. Not reveal his true name to the Organization’s members who are working with him, nor to the [Islamic] Da’wa [Call].
2. Have a general appearance that does not indicate Islamic orientation (beard, toothpick, book, [long] shirt, small Koran).
5. Carry falsified personal documents and know all the information they contain.
7. Have complete and accurate knowledge of the security status related to those around him in his place of work and residence, so that no danger or harm would catch him unaware.
8. Maintain his family and neighborhood relationships and should not show any changes towards them so that they would not attempt to bring him back [from the Organization] for security reasons.
10. Not speak loudly.
11. Not get involved in advocating good and denouncing evil in order not to attract attention to himself.
12. Break the daily routine, especially when performing an undercover mission. For example, changing the departure and return routes, arrival and departure times, and the store where he buys his goods.
13. Not causing any trouble in the neighborhood where he lives or at the place of work.
20. Not undergo a sudden change in his daily routine or any relationships that precede his Jihad involvement. For example, there should not be an obvious change in his habits of conversing, movement, presence, or disappearance. Likewise, he should not be hasty to sever his previous relationships.
Important Note:
* Married brothers should observe the following:
1. Not talking with their wives about Jihad work.
2. The members with security risks should not travel with their wives. A wife with an Islamic appearance (veil) attracts attention.
The above is largely unclassified now, but I took out some of the steps that might not have been as obvious as others. As you can see, they are trained to be patient and blend with their surroundings.
As for lawyers, they are generally a bunch of self serving whores, who will say or do anything for attention and/or money. I don't really blame them, they have dedicated their lives to ensuring people don't have to be responsible for their actions. If nothing else, it's just a job, and they are obliged to do the best they can. It will be the judges that make or break this one. I'm not buying the "entrapment" angle (an American term, BTW) and if they were working on this one for that long, they wouldn't have moved in unless they had a pretty solid case. Plus, the plan must have been pretty imminently dangerous, otherwise they probably would have waited out for a bit in order to round up even more people. Once something like this hits, the participants scurry like roaches into the shadows.
Tamouh, as for your comments (so much happens over night)
I think that perhaps there is a cultural difference between yours and my interpretations of what mature and brainwashing mean. I'm not going to beat it to death, as most of the other posts to those ends summed up how most of us feel. I believe your heart is in the right place, however. I am very curious, however, why there is no Islamic community leadership that can organize country wide demonstrations of support for Canada, and protests against terrorism. Surely the nuances of the various sects are not so huge that something couldn't be put together? I reminds me of when I was still living in Toronto, and I had a black partner while working security. He took more crap than I did, and was constantly called "Uncle Tom" or "Oreo". The Oreo one always struck me. White on the inside? So the black youths were saying to him that by being law abiding he was being white. So what would the opposite inference be? Is this the case with Arabs in general in your experience? Are you branded some sort of sell out or race traitor if you make any sort of statements of support to Canada and it's largely Christian institutions? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. As you appear to probably have a better track on what really goes on behind the scenes, I would be interested in your thoughts.
Bilton, seriously, what is your deal? Are you recovering from a stroke or something? ???
