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The US Presidency 2019

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>What the actual hell? Who finds this acceptable behaviour for anyone let anyone the president of USA?

Apparently not many people who matter.  But it sure did twist a lot of panties.
 
Furniture said:
It would explain why the polls were so wrong down south in 2016.

Saw the above posted today in Canadian Politics.

He got in last time. My uneducated guess, he will probably get back in next time too.

“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion,” Mueller wrote. This help “favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/05/mueller-can-do-no-more-now-its-congress/157333/

In spite of that, the Democrats got 3 million more votes in 2016. 10 million more in 2018. Maybe even more in 2020.

The Wall Street Journal

‘Putin Has Won’: Mueller Report Details the Ways Russia Interfered in the 2016 Election
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-has-won-mueller-report-details-the-ways-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-election-11555666201








 
I doubt Putin cares much who wins.

Many people assume that because interference favoured Trump, it was meant to favour Trump.  Another explanation is that the Russians did what Russians often do and reinforced success.  Their attempts to hack the DNC were more successful than their attempts to hack the RNC.  And prompting the incumbent administration to poke its nose into the challenging party's campaign should always be expected to yield a much higher payload if the intent is to sow discord.

If foreigners want to provoke the US into self-immolation, the task is now much easier (the precedents are established).  All that is needed is to plant credible evidence that the challenging campaign is working with foreigners.  The barriers against intrusive investigations have been ground down to almost nothing in pursuit of short-term political advantage.  So: create the evidence; massage the evidence into the open (media exposure); stoke the calls for investigation.  Then sit back and see whether the challengers are as well-disposed towards investigations when they are the targets.  (Not likely.)  Tap a keg while the US tears itself apart (again).

Democrats should support Barr and push for well-established limits on what is sufficient to start an investigation and what investigative means are acceptable.
 
Brad Sallows said:
I doubt Putin cares much who wins.

Many people assume that because interference favoured Trump, it was meant to favour Trump.  Another explanation is that the Russians did what Russians often do and reinforced success.  Their attempts to hack the DNC were more successful than their attempts to hack the RNC.  And prompting the incumbent administration to poke its nose into the challenging party's campaign should always be expected to yield a much higher payload if the intent is to sow discord.

If foreigners want to provoke the US into self-immolation, the task is now much easier (the precedents are established).  All that is needed is to plant credible evidence that the challenging campaign is working with foreigners.  The barriers against intrusive investigations have been ground down to almost nothing in pursuit of short-term political advantage.  So: create the evidence; massage the evidence into the open (media exposure); stoke the calls for investigation.  Then sit back and see whether the challengers are as well-disposed towards investigations when they are the targets.  (Not likely.)  Tap a keg while the US tears itself apart (again).

Democrats should support Barr and push for well-established limits on what is sufficient to start an investigation and what investigative means are acceptable.

I agree with everything but the first para. One needs to look at the context that much of the sanction regime that has been put into place against Russia (and which is particularly hurting Putin's oligarch cabal) was put there by the Obama regime and Clinton. I think Putin very much cared about who won although I also think that he probably didn't in his wildest dreams think that Trump would actually win. He might have hoped that in a close race his efforts might put Trump over the top and it certainly seems that this was the case considering how narrow the vote difference in the key electoral college states were.

:cheers:
 
The claim that Vladimir Putin favoured Donald Trump never made sense to me. Millions had been funnelled to the Clinton Foundation https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/clinton-russia-collusion-evidence/, Obama was caught on an open mike promising Dimitri Medvedev that he could be "more flexible" to Russia after the 2012 election https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-more-flexibility-russia/, and Obama had ridiculed Mitt Romney's concerns regarding Russia during the 2012 campaign with his "the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because, the Cold War's been over for 20 years" retort. If Vladimir Putin preferred either candidate in 2016, I continue believe that he would have preferred Clinton. I'm pretty certain that he's not come out and said who he preferred, so nobody merely speculating knows for sure, but: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/10/12/russian-hacking-no-credible-evidence-editorials-debates/106566026/.

I watched the internet ads mention in that last article and they were laughable and cringeworthy. Any claim that they influenced anybody is also laughable.

That article also states:

"What the purveyors of this conspiracy theory don’t want to admit is that Donald Trump’s victory, as well as that of other Republicans, aligns with political trends during the Obama presidency.

"Under Obama, the Democratic Party lost more congressional, state legislative and governor’s seats than under any other president. The party is the weakest it has been since the 1920s in the number of political seats it holds nationwide."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/19/politics/election-day-russia-hacking-explained/, a couple of weeks before the election, began with the headline "No, the presidential election can't be hacked".

Democrat claims that Russia hacked the DNC server remain unsubstantiated. The DNC refused to turn it over to federal investigators for a proper analysis. Why not? They would almost certainly not have anything to hide, would they? And, if I remember accurately, it was assessed that at least five entities hacked Clinton's illegal private e-mail server.

While I will likely never trust Russia, having actively participated in the Cold War for many years, I am much more worried about China and militant Islam.

The Russian boogeyman was a Democrat diversion then and remains so now. They were certain of a win, and still can't believe that they lost or accept why they lost. They picked a lousy candidate and ran a lousy campaign, in which they took a large group of voters for granted and then insulted them, and failed to generate much interest anywhere outside of their safe areas (compare the sizes, frequency, and energy/enthusiasm levels between Clinton and Donald Trump rallies).

I was caught in an unexpected and lengthy gap between contracts during the 2016 US election and had a lot of free time to watch it closely, and found it highly entertaining on many levels.

I quickly came to the opinion that Donald Trump was likely to win (but not assured) based upon some largely unconventional amateur analysts alongside some more-established and conventional ones. The best, and most accurate, poll was an LA Times one that used larger and more diversified samples and had been accurate in previous elections. It did not favour Clinton as the others did. One amateur specialist tracked the relative sales of anti-Clinton and anti-Trump merchandise; anti-Clinton sales beat anti-Trump sales by eight to one.

I've trimmed down my unconventional amateur analyst list considerably, as I have much less time of late, so only monitor those who performed the best and have the least fluff. Backgrounds vary.

One (HA Goodman), who billed himself as "progressive" in 2016, was a Jill Stein supporter at the start, then switched to Bernie Sanders when she dropped out, got pissed off when the DNC betrayed him, became more critical of Clinton specifically and the Democrats in general over time, and began to predict that Donald Trump would win and gave clear reasons why. It was interesting to watch him repudiate his "progressive" identity, denounce the Democrats, and eventually become an enthusiastic Donald Trump supporter over time.

Another (Bill Still/Still Report) is a much older, retired professional journalist and author with a good network of trusted sources, very Christian and a long-time Republican supporter.

Another (Styxhexenhammer666) is a millenial, libertarian, Christian-cum-satanist-cum-pagan, modern-day hippy who has voted Democrat in the past and is now a fairly solid Donald Trump supporter but will freely switch to whoever most aligns with his own beliefs and opinions.

Another (Tim Pool/Timcast) bills himself as centre-left, would never vote Republican under any circumstances, likes neither Donald Trump nor the socialist-loony side of the Democratic Party (or any of those vying for the Democrat candidacy) but will give both praise and criticism where he sees it due.

Another (Anthony Brian Logan/ABL) is a black former-Democrat who is now also solidly Republican and a Donald Trump supporter.

Another (Bill Whittle, usually with sidekicks Steve Green and Scott Ott) is a mature conservative who was originally not a Donald Trump fan and can still be critical. Scott Ott generally plays the devil's advocate role, and quite well.

Another (Liz Wheeler) is a very conservative and Catholic millennial, who reports for One American News Network which seems to be growing.

And then there's Steven Crowder, a conservative comedian with a strong Canadian connection, including a French Canadian mother.

I still watch Scott Adams (Dilbert author) occasionally; he has some interesting insights.

I also favour National Review Online. Although it's conservative-leaning, there is a wide variety of viewpoints in one source.

I will also, occasionally, check other left-leaning sources that I find credible and interesting even if I disagree with them (Jimmy Dore, for one).

I put less and less faith in mainstream media, but do occasionally find some worthwhile articles or videos therein and will (still) not discount them entirely. In general, I find Canadian MSM to be more credible than their US counterparts, but less so than I'd like.

Overall, though, I find better, deeper analyses and more accurate predictions in the amateur/semi-professional/independent/small operations that I've been watching/reading for almost three years. They also report about many things that the traditional media ignore.
 
Loachman said:
The claim that Vladimir Putin favoured Donald Trump never made sense to me.

FJAG said:
I think Putin very much cared about who won although I also think that he probably didn't in his wildest dreams think that Trump would actually win. He might have hoped that in a close race his efforts might put Trump over the top and it certainly seems that this was the case considering how narrow the vote difference in the key electoral college states were.

My money is with FJAG.
 
Mine isn't.

But we'll never know unless he tells us.

And I'm pretty certain that he's laughing at almost everybody who's pushing it or believing it.
 
January 2017

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, FBI, CIA, NSA.

President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
 
"developed"

Implying "changed over time".  The DNI's opinion is wholly consistent with Russia setting out to stir the pot (the efforts to hack the DNC and RNC allegedly began in 2015, well before any primaries were decided) and following the avenues which yielded results.
 
Trump meets with Pakistan's PM Imran Khan for the first time offering to help mediate clash with India and claiming he could win Afghan war 'in a week' except he doesn't want to 'kill 10 million people'
-Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan made his first visit to Washington Monday
-He was greeted by a military honor guard at the White House
-Trump offered to help mediate the long-running dispute over Kashmir between Pakistan and India
-He claimed he could end the Afghan war in a week
-In the past he  has accused Pakistan of not doing enough  on terror and the US suspended military aid to Pakistan
-Trump said he could win the war but 'I just don't want to kill 10 million people'
-Said he thinks Pakistan will do 'a lot' and 'save millions of lives' in Afghanistan

See article here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7272757/Trump-meet-Pakistan-PM-talks-focus-Afghanistan.html

No. Words.

:brickwall:
 
FJAG said:

Just wow.

[extensive self-edit so as not to piss in the pool]

Sadly I’m no longer the least bit surprised to see this kind of thing being uttered by POTUS. There is woeful lack of any depth of understanding of the matter being shown here.

It’s still sad and disappointing to see that America’s foreign policy is in the hands of someone who so consistently doesn’t grasp why what he says matters, and who doesn’t see why it’s hugely concerning for a world leader to so casually and flippantly toss off the idea of genocide as a counterinsurgency approach. We need better guarantors than a man so easily provoked and manipulated just ‘not feeling like it’ this week.
 
Brihard said:
Just wow. What a blithering idiot. I mean I’m not surprised he says this dumb **** anymore, but still, each time you think he’s reached peak inanity, he manages to lower the bar further.

And if he actually tries to pull that off, I would hope that every single military person from the Joint Chiefs of Staff down to the bomber pilot, ship CO, sub commander or missileer would rather get court-martialled than follow that order.  WTF.
 
I watched the interview and on its face I didnt see a problem with trying to get Pakistan to be a force for peace in Afghanistan. Maybe India and Pakistan can work something out in Kashmir. If they can lower the temp thats a good thing.
 
tomahawk6 said:
I watched the interview and on its face I didnt see a problem with trying to get Pakistan to be a force for peace in Afghanistan. Maybe India and Pakistan can work something out in Kashmir. If they can lower the temp thats a good thing.

A desire that Pakistan be force for peace isn't the problem.

Not understanding the complexities of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan and their relationships and instead approaching the issue with jingoism and ridiculous rhetoric that leaves all the main actors confused and/or infuriated is a problem. Surely you can see that.

India and Pakistan have been at odds and at war over Kashmir since Partition. Do you really believe they are about to be swayed to a harmonious solution by this last piece of macabre theatre?

:cheers:
 
During the presser the issue of Puerto Rican protests came up.Trump said that Congress authorized $92b and Pakistan only gets 10b. Interesting I wonder if Pakistan might get more assistance by playing ball.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Has anything else worked??

Nothing he has attempted has worked so far as far as I can see.  His attempts to bring peace to the middle east and the Korean Peninsula haven't worked so I guess there is every reason to think this won't work either. 
 
Trump understands nothing about Kashmir, the critical issue between India and Pakistan and one over which neither has even been willing to compromise seriously. In any event Indian Ministry of External (they still use the good old term) has blow Trump off--their tweets:
https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/1153371327371173895

Raveesh Kumar
@MEAIndia
We have seen @POTUS's remarks to the press that he is ready to mediate, if requested by India & Pakistan, on Kashmir issue. No such request has been made by PM @narendramodi
to US President. It has been India's consistent position...1/2

Raveesh Kumar
@MEAIndia

Jul 22

...that all outstanding issues with Pakistan are discussed only bilaterally [emphasis added]. Any engagement with Pakistan would require an end to cross border terrorism. The Shimla Agreement & the Lahore Declaration provide the basis to resolve all issues between India & Pakistan bilaterally.2/2

Plus:

Jaishankar rebuts Trump’s Kashmir claim; Oppn demands PM Modi’s statement
The foreign minister added that it has been India’s consistent position that all outstanding issues with Pakistan are discussed only bilaterally.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-such-request-made-by-pm-modi-says-foreign-minister-s-jaishankar-on-trump-s-kashmir-mediation-claim/story-Ne3dLbKC4xSYX0rdZ7eN1M.html

And a parody tweet:

Belarus News (Eng.)
@BelarusMiniInfo
Prime Minister Imran Khan politely pretends not to be listening as President Trump offers to mediate Spratly Islands dispute between Pakistan & Honduras.
EAHH-3WX4AUka1H

5:53 PM · Jul 22, 2019

Post from 2016:

The Asian Military Cockpit, Kashmir Section
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/mark-collins-the-asian-military-cockpit-kashmir-section-2/

Mark
Ottawa
 
There has been a lot of buzz lately that not many people have read the Mueller report, including members of Congress. Watching the Mueller testimony today I observed one thing, Mueller never read the Mueller report.
 
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