The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Kirkhill]

They have a better control of their system. We have to jump through to many levels of approval to get a simple order made. Then we have to jump through many other levels just to find a builder/ supplier. Then many other levels to approve the buy.
Often the contract needs to include a central Canada company or two on the consulting/supply side that increase costs significantly.
Add in all the kickbacks, back door deals and levels involved and the cost for a pencil goes from a few cents to ten dollars. If your not in Central Canada or close ties then your wasting your breath on contracts.

We cant afford our current procurement system

On that front a lot of their manufacturers, especially the military and naval ones have a long history as state enterprises. They had one customer, their boss. He footed all the bills.

 

[childs56]

On that front a lot of their manufacturers, especially the military and naval ones have a long history as state enterprises. They had one customer, their boss. He footed all the bills.

I think it has more to do with the actual production commitments and not humming and haaaing of actual contracts.
Canada has public funded defense companies. Who still fail to produce a product on time and close to an actual budget. Even though they eat through money like nobodies paying the bill.
Worse of all neither side are held responsible for bad quality service and poorly written contracts.

 

[OldSolduer]

I always wonder how smaller countries than ours, like Sweden for example, can afford to design and build subs and fighters but we can’t. I mean surely we can start and move forward to building similar industrial capabilities. Here are the comparisons of population,size,gdp for SK and Canada.

In the last century politicians wanted to curry favor rather than take things like defense seriously

That is why we got what we got... or at least part of the reason

 

[Genetk44]

A year ago I was flying from Toronto to Montreal….guy beside me was a Dutch financier who had moved to Canada 30 years ago and put down roots. 30 years later and he is still appalled at the endless bureaucracy and red-tape at all levels of government in Canada, even compared to the EU. We agreed that with all our resources and population levels Canada should be alot farther along than it is but for all the redtape and hoop-jumping. he being Dutch still finds it incredibly frustrating all things considered.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Carney’s high level itinerary for France and UK.

Interesting that the French mentions defence topics, while the UK donesnt -

The PMO release said Carney and Macron “will focus on their shared commitment to build stronger economic, commercial, and defence ties,” and Carney will talk about Canada’s efforts involving artificial intelligence.

His discussions with Starmer “will focus on strengthening transatlantic security, growing the AI sector, and the strong commercial relationship between Canada and the United Kingdom,” as well as bilateral trade, the PMO said. Carney will also meet with King Charles.

 

[OldSolduer]

Over on a page on FB the strategic geniuses are all for cancelling the F 35...which would still leave us without a decent fighter.

And you know the red tape....its been how many years already?

So IMO to start the process over is to fail.

 

[DBNSG]

Over on a page on FB the strategic geniuses are all for cancelling the F 35...which would still leave us without a decent fighter.

And you know the red tape....its been how many years already?

So IMO to start the process over is to fail.

That fail is the policy option that many Canadians want. There is a very deep myopia among some Canadians that the Americans do the military stuff. We pontificate, judge and feel superior. Trump's IDGAF is rattling that cage and comfort.

 

[MilEME09]

Over on a page on FB the strategic geniuses are all for cancelling the F 35...which would still leave us without a decent fighter.

And you know the red tape....its been how many years already?

So IMO to start the process over is to fail.

Pretty much might as well suck it up now but look at euro for 6th gen