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Telegram CEO arrested upon entering France

RangerRay said:
Is Russia like China in that they don’t recognize their citizens becoming citizens of other countries? 🤷‍♂️
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Russian law on citizenship is heavily influenced by its Soviet heritage. When the USSR collapsed, ethnic Russians were scattered throughout the entire Soviet Union, and a large number of ethnic minorities from the other federations were residing in Russia.

Partially as a result of this, Russia permits dual citizenship, but it's somewhat complex in that they allow dual citizenship with some countries and not others. To a certain extent, they encourage it - one of the stunts they have used to enhance their claims to Donetsk and Luhansk is to permit Ukrainian citizens there to easily acquire Russian citizenship without having to renounce their existing citizenship.

They also permit people to renounce Russian citizenship.
 
JLM1991 said:
Telegram, as in the app? I don't know a lot about it admittedly.
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Same. I've really only heard about it in the media, especially referenced as 'an app where some videos get posted' - and I'd assume there is a private message feature...

Don't know much else about it.

I know the CEO has been a huge proponent of free speech, and has resisted the attempts of various governments to censor his platform. But there is a big difference in being a proponent of free speech and refusing to censor content, and turning a blind eye to blatant criminality of the worst kind...and I suspect it's the latter they are using as the context for his arrest.


But this guy isn't stupid, not by a long shot. I'm with Bri on this, I think it's something to watch also...
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
I really am the last " what is the internet for $200, Alex" kind of guy.

My first thought when I read the topic header was "Why would France arrest the head of an English newspaper ?"

(Yes, I now know it's The Telegraph) Sigh,...sometimes it hurts being stupid......
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As a kid I delivered the Toronto version but I'm pretty sure that was different.
 
With Russia now looking for alternatives for their military communications, the ability of western SigInt to intercept and read their day to day may be damaged.
 
SeaKingTacco said:
Or, it forces them to use other, less well encrypted methods.
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Telegram group chats weren’t encrypted end to end. Its security stemmed primarily from controlling who gets invited to a group, and from the platform being totally out of direct reach of Western governments. Its utility is more convenience than anything. Imagine army formations using WhatsApp group chats for tactical communications.

Direct messages between two people on Telegram can be encrypted, but for direct chats there are far better platforms anyway.
 
brihard said:
Telegram group chats weren’t encrypted end to end. Its security stemmed primarily from controlling who gets invited to a group, and from the platform being totally out of direct reach of Western governments. Its utility is more convenience than anything. Imagine army formations using WhatsApp group chats for tactical communications.

Direct messages between two people on Telegram can be encrypted, but for direct chats there are far better platforms anyway.
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Whatsapp is encrypted (they claim), but I did not know that about telegram.
 
UAE: Can we see him, please? (RUS independent media)
www.themoscowtimes.com

UAE Requests Consular Services for Arrested Telegram Boss - The Moscow Times

The United Arab Emirates said Tuesday it had requested consular services for Telegram founder Pavel Durov after the Dubai-based tech boss was arrested in France over alleged failings to curb criminality on the app.
www.themoscowtimes.com www.themoscowtimes.com
From the horse's mouth ....
www.mofa.gov.ae

UAE closely following case of Pavel Durov, founder of Telegram

The UAE is closely following the case of its citizen Pavel Durov, founder of Telegram, who was arrested by the French authorities in Paris–Le Bourget Airport.
www.mofa.gov.ae www.mofa.gov.ae
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CBH99 said:
Same. I've really only heard about it in the media, especially referenced as 'an app where some videos get posted' - and I'd assume there is a private message feature...

Don't know much else about it.

I know the CEO has been a huge proponent of free speech, and has resisted the attempts of various governments to censor his platform. But there is a big difference in being a proponent of free speech and refusing to censor content, and turning a blind eye to blatant criminality of the worst kind...and I suspect it's the latter they are using as the context for his arrest.


But this guy isn't stupid, not by a long shot. I'm with Bri on this, I think it's something to watch also...
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Right. I see no issues with free speech, especially in today's society where so much is being censored due to people being so sensitive, but I do believe there needs to be limits. Like, promoting criminal activity and spewing outright hate speech shouldn't be allowed (I mean actual hate speech, not what certain segments of society perceives to be hate speech).
 
JLM1991 said:
Right. I see no issues with free speech, especially in today's society where so much is being censored due to people being so sensitive, but I do believe there needs to be limits. Like, promoting criminal activity and spewing outright hate speech shouldn't be allowed (I mean actual hate speech, not what certain segments of society perceives to be hate speech).
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In Canada, hate speech is pretty clearly defined in CCC 319 with "identifiable group" defined in CCC 318(4).
 
Haggis said:
In Canada, hate speech is pretty clearly defined in CCC 319 with "identifiable group" defined in CCC 318(4).
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More precisely, it’s criminal to promote or incite hate. It’s the causing or spreading of it that attracts criminal sanction. Simply being a shitty and hateful person is not a crime.
 
brihard said:
More precisely, it’s criminal to promote or incite hate. It’s the causing or spreading of it that attracts criminal sanction. Simply being a shitty and hateful person is not a crime.
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Yes, and this is sort of what I was getting at. Words can cause people to lash out and they have. This is why certain hateful remarks need to be monitored.
 
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