Sexual Assault & Sexual Misconduct in the CF

[PPCLI Guy]

Did anyone notice that one of the key lines about not releasing the names of the MPs implicated in the foreign interference mess is that the individuals are entitled to due process......

I guess that only applies to politicians and hockey players. Senior members of the CAF were fair game.

Laurie Ann Kempton indeed.

A pox on all of them

 

[OldSolduer]

Did anyone notice that one of the key lines about not releasing the names of the MPs implicated in the foreign interference mess is that the individuals are entitled to due process......

I guess that only applies to politicians and hockey players. Senior members of the CAF were fair game.

Laurie Ann Kempton indeed.

A pox on all of them

Of course - I never noticed that til you said that. Not surprising at all.

What did Orwell say about pigs being equal?

 

[CountDC]

Yup

That can be mitigated but it's not an invalid observation.

s60(1)(c) clearly defines when a reservist is subject to the NDA. Part VII of the NDA (starting at s. 286 sets out various other situations where a military member can be tried by a civilian court when he is not directly subject to the NDA. If you think proceeding with a summary hearing or a court martial is a pain in the butt, you should give something like s. 294(1) Failure to attend parade a try some time. IMHO, the NDA needs some changes in regard to some (but not all) of these provisions.

That has always been a fun one for me when working at reserve units. Having SNCMs and officers complain about how they wish they could charge Cpl Blog for not parading and pointing out they could if they wanted to. All excited until they see what is involved. is it still maximum $50 fine?

 

[dapaterson]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

 

[FJAG]

is it still maximum $50 fine?

Yes for officers. $25 for NCMs. For what it's worth, that's per day.

 

[brihard]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

Whoops. Throwing out a guess, if they already had grounds to arrest and charge before seizing his devices, and they had grounds to seize and search his devices, they probably have the other end of at least one conversation. Sounds like they think they may find more.

By seizing his devices they’ll try to put him ‘behind the keyboard’ for any conversations where a child was being lured.

I really, really hope they don’t develop evidence of hi m succesfully offending against kids in person…

 

[daftandbarmy]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

I worked with an experienced social worker for awhile. He was pretty clear that if you were looking for pedophiles, you were more likely to find them engaged in various kinds of youth programs.

 

[OldSolduer]

I worked with an experienced social worker for awhile. He was pretty clear that if you were looking for pedophiles, you were more likely to find them engaged in various kinds of youth programs.

FBI and other Profilers say the same.

 

[Remius]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

Plus his sash is incorrectly worn. Clear indicator.

 

[ModlrMike]

That has always been a fun one for me when working at reserve units. Having SNCMs and officers complain about how they wish they could charge Cpl Blog for not parading and pointing out they could if they wanted to. All excited until they see what is involved. is it still maximum $50 fine?

Yes, complex indeed. As explained to me by my LEGAD, we are constrained by the fact that the member has to be subject to the CSD when the offence is committed. So an order to parade on some date in the future has exactly zero teeth. Now, what does have teeth is the DAOD 5019 series.

 

[OldSolduer]

Plus his sash is incorrectly worn. Clear indicator.

He looks familiar. I can't say where I have seen him before though.

 

[CountDC]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

Sometimes I wish they would stop highlighting the CAF aspect when it is not involved in the case. It doesn't appear from the article that the CAF was any part of this case other than he is a member.

Yes for officers. $25 for NCMs. For what it's worth, that's per day.

Didn't recall a per day aspect to it. learned something new today.

Yes, complex indeed. As explained to me by my LEGAD, we are constrained by the fact that the member has to be subject to the CSD when the offence is committed. So an order to parade on some date in the future has exactly zero teeth. Now, what does have teeth is the DAOD 5019 series.

Talk to another, probably get another answer lol. It was explained that there isn't a need to order them to attend as it is a QR&O directive as part of their TOS with the reserves. Basically by joining they have agreed to parade those days and by not showing up are guilty of not attending a parade. This is what I found today which seems to mean it no longer requires going to civilian court as it is a summary conviction.

Failure to attend​

• 294 (1) Every officer or non-commissioned member of the reserve force who without lawful excuse neglects or refuses to attend any parade or training at the place and hour appointed therefor is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction for each offence, if an officer, to a fine not exceeding fifty dollars and, if a non-commissioned member, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five dollars.

• Marginal note:​

  (2) Absence from any parade or training referred to in subsection (1) is, in respect of each day on which the absence occurs, a separate offence.

 

[OldSolduer]

Sometimes I wish they would stop highlighting the CAF aspect when it is not involved in the case. It doesn't appear from the article that the CAF was any part of this case other than he is a member.

He was involved with the Junior Rangers Program according to the article.

 

[FJAG]

Yes, complex indeed. As explained to me by my LEGAD, we are constrained by the fact that the member has to be subject to the CSD when the offence is committed. So an order to parade on some date in the future has exactly zero teeth. Now, what does have teeth is the DAOD 5019 series.

Your LEGAD is 100% wrong. You only need to be subject to the CSD to be charged with a "service offence" for trial before a military tribunal.

S. 294 is not a "service offence." It is specifically designed as an offence triable before a civilian tribunal to get around the CSD issue. All of the offences listed in Part VII of the NDA fall outside of the CSD. Have him/her look at the other provisions of Part VII - most of them apply to ordinary individuals having no connection to the military.

If someone has come up with a departmental legal opinion issued by DLaw/Mil Jus (or whatever its called these days), to the effect of supporting your LEGAD's views, then I'd like to see it. I doubt that such an opinion exists.

 

[brihard]

He was involved with the Junior Rangers Program according to the article.

And he was arrested while working at Whitehorse cadet camp. That’s a busy camp; lots of kids there.

 

[Quirky]

He looks familiar. I can't say where I have seen him before though.

Obese white male SNCO? They are a dime a dozen….

 

[Haggis]

Res F WO working with Rangers and Junior Canadian Rangers charged with child luring.

Yellowknife-based Canadian Armed Forces reservist charged with luring a child - CKLB Radio

A Canadian Armed Forces reservist member who works with youth has been charged with luring a child, following an investigation by the RCMP NT Internet Child ...

cklbradio.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-man-charged-with-child-luring-1.7261248

I find that he bears more than a passing resemblance to the MND.

 

[markppcli]

I worked with an experienced social worker for awhile. He was pretty clear that if you were looking for pedophiles, you were more likely to find them engaged in various kinds of youth programs.

Friends who’ve been tasked in Vernon told me the MP brief to staff went along the lines of “Reg force augmentees this isn’t for you really, CIC hands up -pause- statistically at least three of you will commit an offence this summer”

 

[brihard]

Friends who’ve been tasked in Vernon told me the MP brief to staff went along the lines of “Reg force augmentees this isn’t for you really, CIC hands up -pause- statistically at least three of you will commit an offence this summer”

Wow.

 

[dapaterson]

Friends who’ve been tasked in Vernon told me the MP brief to staff went along the lines of “Reg force augmentees this isn’t for you really, CIC hands up -pause- statistically at least three of you will commit an offence this summer”

I assume that's because the Reg F augmentees have already committed offences?