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zipperhead_cop said:What will start out as a swingers club ie)couples of consenting adults swapping partners, will likely degenerate into a modern version of a ***** house. Clubs will charge the hookers a surcharge to linger and do their thing, and guys will start coming in without partners to see "whats up".
zipperhead_cop said:As for a lawsuit, we have a criminal case her in Windor involving Carl Leone:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/07/Leone-sexassault-1207.html
There are many women that are affected by this tool, and stand by for huge lawsuits after the trial.
The above are all examples of activities that are going on today in Canada. Fortunately, our society still finds them unacceptable, and to varying degrees, puts a stop to them when they are found out.
What makes the swinging ruling unacceptable, is that it used to be on the above list. It was found out, and now 5 unelected judges has deemed the COMMERCIAL operation of the activity moral and acceptable.
Our list of taboos is getting shorter and shorter, to the point where we may not have any in a generation or two.
l. Is the next step down this slope legalized, commercial prostitution. Based on the arguments on this board, it looks like that one's a slam dunk.
The difficulties and pitfalls of raising a child in a single parent household are well documented. You may not agree with the scientific conclusions, but they do indeed exist, and, in my case, were backed up by personal experience as a police officer
Gunnerlove said:Now I know swinging rubs a number of people the wrong way (and a number the right way) however in reality it is a non issue for 99% of Canadians. What is an issue for Canadians is the current failure of the RCMP to control the amount of drugs comming into the country. If you want to fight social degeneration why not fight the big fight and spur the Police into doing their job. Why not waste this much band width arguing for increased security (and searches) at our ports and border crossings?
xFusilier said:What happened is that it was found that no societal harm was being caused.
don't come running to me looking for support.
kcdist said:Great rant Zipperhead. Written like a true cop.
Unlike you, infanteer, I am able to engage in a healthy debate without the use of profanity or personal attacks. I wish you would learn to do the same.
kcdist said:REMEMBER THIS: When this ruling leads to another that fully legalizes prostitution, and your 18 year old daughter announces her new 'career path' to you over Christmas Dinner with the explanation of "Well why shouldn't I.....It's legal after all", don't come running to me looking for support.
Ex-Dragoon said:So by all accounts your resistance to accepting that other people might be involved in different lifestyle choices stems from what ifs and possibilities and nothing based on fact or experience or actual knowledge on swinging???
zipperhead_cop said:Remember this too: If your 18 year old daughter decided to become a hooker, you probably dropped the parenting ball for the preceding 18 years and should not be surprised.
A real cop would know that a girl very rarely doesn't just pick hooking as a way to come up with spending money. It is an act of desperation of someone with few options and/or a drug addiction.
More experienced than you might imagine Zipperhead. Don't think you've got the market cornered on policing issues mister. I've PM'd you with answers.zipperhead_cop said:Exactly. Like a cop. Which you seem to claim to have experience with. Where? For how long? Why did you quit? You don't come off as someone who has seen much and developed the thick skin that is synonymous with my profession.
Surely, Mr Zipperhead, you don't condone the government sponsored crack houses that now exist in Vancouver. See what the Vancouver Police Union has to say about them.zipperhead_cop said:All we can hope to do is attempt to regulate the clubs. As with any public venue, such as restaraunts and bars, an eye towards health concerns is all we need to worry about and I am meaning specific to the building facilities themselves.
zipperhead_cop said:A real cop would know that a girl very rarely doesn't just pick hooking as a way to come up with spending money. It is an act of desperation of someone with few options and/or a drug addiction.
kcdist said:Therein lies the crux of the argument.
REMEMBER THIS: When this ruling leads to another that fully legalizes prostitution, and your 18 year old daughter announces her new 'career path' to you over Christmas Dinner with the explanation of "Well why shouldn't I.....It's legal after all", don't come running to me looking for support.
For someone that got upset with Infanteer you like to drop names as well, considering I have been courteous to you I would have hoped for the same. Guess the old double standard applies here. Either way I don't care but your mode of thinking lumps gays into the child molestor category. Do you believe all homosexual men molest boys? Also from the same sources I illustrated earlier, its rather hard for you to know who is a swinger and who is not because they get the same reaction as you just did.In all seriousness though, I don't have to be shot in the head to know that bullets can hurt. I know that if someone has loose enough moral standards to want to share his wife with other men, then quite frankly, I would not trust that same person in the company of my daughter or wife. If you would want a 'swinger' associated to you in your professional or private life, I say Power to You..........Weirdo
Hunter said:just curious cop, do you have a daughter? I'm just wondering what your qualifications in this area are. Because I can't imagine a parent would make a statement like 'If your 18 year old daughter decided to become a hooker'. For what it's worth I am a parent; she's 10, and I am her sole custodial parent. But somehow I doubt she will be steered towards the life of crime you described earlier.
This is the second time you have drawn a connection between prostitution and swinger's clubs. Can you please explain what the connection actually is?
kcdist said:Well great....let's not stop there with your examples though:
What makes the swinging ruling unacceptable, is that it used to be on the above list. It was found out, and now 5 unelected judges has deemed the COMMERCIAL operation of the activity moral and acceptable.
Our list of taboos is getting shorter and shorter, to the point where we may not have any in a generation or two.
It is the rules we set as a society that make our society worth living in. We can debate on where the line should be drawn, but I think we all agree there should be a line.
The commercial swinging operation leads to the next obvious barrier - prostitution. We all know prostitution is legal in Canada, but laws regarding communication and living off the avails of the enterprise make it virtually illegal. Is the next step down this slope legalized, commercial prostitution. Based on the arguments on this board, it looks like that one's a slam dunk.
Unlike you, infanteer, I am able to engage in a healthy debate without the use of profanity or personal attacks. I wish you would learn to do the same.
kcdist said:I, for one, believe that, by further degrading the moral standards of our society, this ruling will indeed cause societal harm over the long term, especially when combined with many other similar rulings and laws (such as the 14 year old age of consent, the Sharpe ruling on child porn, ect)