Ghost: I didn't mean to say guns are bad, do not put words into my mouth. I like guns a lot. The chance to use them is one big reason I was always interested in the military. What I meant is that acting like drugs are the cause of peoples problems is like saying that guns are the cause of people getting shot. In both cases it is the PEOPLE who have the problem, not the means that they use to solve their problem. Not every gun user is a murderer and not every drug user is addicted.
Also I have no experience with steriods, so I cannot speak about them but I do know about some drugs, which I am speaking about.
scott1nsh said:
I wasn't going to weigh in but I re-read the thread and some other posts of yours nbk and I just have to get this out:
You state that you are in the process of applying to the CF, just waiting for the call, eh? Well if you consider the policies that everyone must follow "abhorrant and senseless" then why would you join? You applied 043 (Combat Engineer) Do you think the CF should change those "abhorrant and senseless" policies and then turn you loose to smoke a bowl and go play with mines? I don't think you'd have too many followers.
Yes I am just waiting for the call. I was honest 100% with the recruiter and he actually had a brain on his shoulders and listened to what I was saying instead of just hearing the words "positive experiences with drugs" and then throwing a hissy fit. I have absolutely no criminal record and he was so impressed with my professionalism and eloquency in speaking about myself he even told me I'd make a "fine soldier".
I think the big problem that you people have is you have zero education about drugs. You have seen too many after school specials and trust far too much in the media and the lies that they spread.
FACT: The majority of drugs are not physically addictive. To get addicted to these drugs you either need to have some sort of mental problem preventing you from having any self control, or have a really screwed up horrible life, living on the streets or whatever. In fact drugs like LSD often give such intense and profound experiences that one does not wish to repeat the experience for weeks or months after. In fact with LSD one's tolerance goes up so fast that if one took the drug more then one a week or so, the drug would have no effect. Flashbacks are bullocks. Seriously do not believe every scare tactic that the prohibitionist media tries to tell you about people going blind from staring at the sun or suddenly having drugs in their spinal fluid leak into their brain causing them to trip while they have not ingested anything for a long time. They are complete and utter bullshit with zero unbiased scientific evidence to back them up. Flashbacks can happen, but from what I am told its more when you use other drugs (I've never gotten one myself). For example if you dropped acid one week and then a month later you smoked a joint, you may have some of the feelings of the acid with the marijuana, even though none of the acid is in your system. Its more of a de ja vu type experience when the THC is acting on the same parts of your brain as the LSD was. The whole idea of people going insane or not being able to control what is happening, is pure over hyped scare tactics from the newsmedia trying to scare people.
Why is it that you guys are so quick to criticize the media when it demonizes the CF, yet you take it what it says as absolute gospel when it tries to demonize drugs? They lie to scare you people, so you tune back in every night to see what is up.
scott1nsh said:
In another topic about drugs, you stated that you'd quit to join the CF because of the policies, I commend you for that, at least you'll tow the line unlike some who'd just hide it and try to get away with it. You also said that you'd really cut back on your use of drugs "over the last few years" My question then, and still is, how many f-ing years have you been doing drugs? It's curiosity, not a snipe.
Cheers
*Tha quote was addressed to me, so the answer is about me, and if you don't want to hear about me, then skip it*
Again people need more education on the subject, and have to get over this silly thought that everyone who uses drugs is addicted and MUST use them or they will go crazy. Drugs are absolutely not my entire life. They were used as a very small thing to enhance my life, and I do not regret almost anything I've ever done. Sure mistakes have happened, but I've learned from them, and not repeated them. Giving up drugs to join the CF is no more difficult then giving up gourmet food. I think more about lack of privacy and freetime as being negative then lack of drugs. Its really not a big deal for me at all. When I decided to join the CF I weighed all the pros and cons and the pros outweighed the cons so I decided to go for it.
When you ask me how many years I have been doing drugs you make it sound like I'm shooting heroin every day. The first time I tried weed was about in grade 6 or 7 like most kids that age. Always was at the top of my class, never failed a subject throughout all of elementary school or high school (except for one class in grade 10 that was due to a teacher's vendetta against me...NO the weed didn't make me paranoid, I'm serious she had it in for me and several others in the class). In high school I tried some other light drugs, and never anything addictive like crack or smack or opiates. I never even bothered with unsafe drusg like exstacy. I had the grades and the money to go to university, but I did not see any point in sitting around wasting my life hearing about people doing things, and not doing them myself.
If drugs have taught me one thing (and in fact they have taught me much more) it is that life is measured by experiences and sitting aroudn wasting away on some U of T campus is not the way to enjoy this time when I am most healthy and most able. I wanted to join the CF to travel, learn and do all sorts of real life things in a real job. I want to experience everything that life here has to offer. Drugs have shown me so much that I am very thankful for discovering them when I did and using them in a correct, safe and educated manner. I have learned so many things I would have never learned any other way. So many new perspectives on life, death, fear, stress, everything. I can say that drugs have improved my life very much, with no long lasting down sides. I am the most healthy person I know, and because I never abused drugs, I have been able to utilize their benefits and not succum to their negative aspects.
Drugs are not for everyone, and lots of people who can't handle them, will get screwed over by them. My earlier gun analogy was quite apt in fact.. If you respect them, you can use them and benefit from them. If you do not respect them and use them carelessly, then they can injure or kill you. They are not for everyone of course, but knowing my personal experiences with them, I am not about to condemn them, no matter what is fashionable to fit in with all of you, who have never even tried them in the first place and haven't a clue about what you are speaking of. You get mad when people who are not in the CF come on here and try to tell you all about life in the CF and how to be a ninja sniper, so how do you think I feel when you guys speak to me about how evil drugs are without having any first hand experience with them? You just sound foolish.
Armymedic said:
Its not all bad, you are indeed correct that if you can't follow your employeer's rules and regs, you will be quickly fired/layed off/punted from your means of income....But I really do hope with that attitude toward the Queen's regulations and Administrative Orders, you choose not to become a mbr of my Canadian Forces.
Who on earth ever said you have to agree with something to abide by it? Do you agree 100% with every last policy that the DND has? You still follow them even if you don't agree with them, don't you? It doesn't matter what you believe in personally. It doesn't matter if something is unjust (as the DND drug policy is). If something will get you fired if you don't abide by it, then you abide by it. If the DND inacts a guideline that no one may eat steak, then you don't eat steak unless you want to get axed. Is it a big enough deal to risk getting canned over? Weigh the pros and cons and deal with any consequences that may come up. I'm fine not eating steak cause its not essential, its nice but I dont need it. Same goes with drugs. They are nice but I don't need them.
Armymedic said:
Gee nbk, maybe this SEAL commander, after all he's done, wanted to experience more of what life had to offer?
I wonder in this case in the US Navy just "condemning" this "good, decent and brave" sailor with their "very twisted and backwards policy"?
Wow you quoted my post twice without me even responding. You must really fancy me.
That guy was selling drugs, which I personally believe is wrong. However, since there is no legal way to get drugs, someone must sell them, in our capitalist society in order for people to get them. I do not blame the guy, I blame Adam Smith. The case you presented is a perfect example of why non addictive drugs should be legalized (although he was selling coke, which is addictive and he should be punished for, and exstacy which is unregulated, because it is illegal to manufacture and can contain all manner of bad things). So thank you for showing everyone why our laws are completely unjust and backwards. I agree with you on this account. Remember what I said before, drugs do not make bad people. Bad people make bad people.
Slim said:
To NBK and his band of buddies, all of whom insist that Drugs Are O.K.
Why, oh why, would you and your friends come on to a forum dedicated to serving and retired members of the CF and insist that abusing drugs is not only O.K but a positive, life changing experience?
Maybe I am under the false assumption that retired and serving members of the CF may be open to new and correct ideas and don't take offence when someone tries to expose their minds to new ideas and thoughts that they may take something intelligent away from. Why does anyone post anything anywhere? To exchange ideas and learn. What would be the point if someone posted a message saying "drugs are bad" and everyone replied with "yes" "I agree" "you are right"? Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you cannot tolerate someone showing how flawed they are, so instead of trying to defend your beliefs you have to attack the person and try to get him to disprove your ideas elsewhere?
Slim said:
Are you trying to convince us all that filling your system with chemicals that someone made in their basement is alright and a cool thing to do? "Hey look at me my mind is permanently damaged but I'm sooo cool!" NOT
Again life is not an after school special. Moderate use of drugs does not damage your body any worse then moderate alcohol or moderate fast food. Does your body get damaged when you pop an Advil when you have a headache? No. but if you popped Advil several times every day it would get damaged. Advil is a drug as well and used improperly anything can hurt you. People who do drugs to fit in or "be cool" are really stupid. If you want to use drugs, do so for self discovery, not for anyone else. What is "cool" about doing drugs? Most people are uneducated like you and assume that people who do drugs are bad, why would anyone do them to "fit in"? That is one of the many many things that the silly drug education in schools has always got wrong. Most people don't do that, and its just stupid if you do.
Slim said:
There are websites dedicated to that subject. Perhaps you and yours would feel more at home posting on one of those instead of here...?
I am only one person. Are you seeing more then one of me? And you think I hallucinate...I do post on drug related message boards as well, but honestly I have better things to do then spend all day on the internet, thats why it takes me long to respond to all of your posts.
Slim said:
I don't think that this forum is liable to be very sympathetic to your view point. And I'm also concerned that some of the younger posters may actually be taken in by your "misguided posts"
If the youngsters are listening let me tell them one thing from someone who has had real world experience: Take everything in life in moderation. Take everything in life with a grain of salt. Do not do anything you dont want to, because in the end you will only answer to yourself. Do not believe everything you hear. Do not believe everything you see. You are not a bad person for choosing to experiment with drugs, but do not condemn people who dont, because you will look foolish. You are not a bad person for choosing not to experiment with drugs, although do not condemnt people who do, or you look foolish. Do not do drugs for the sake of any other people. Research research research. Know what you are doing. Know the risks, weigh the risks. Don't do anything on impulse. Have a trusted sober friend nearby if doing new drugs, although it doesn't hurt to have a sober friend nearby even if you think you know what you are doing. Drugs are not all the same. Purity of street drugs is not the same. Never expect anything from a drug. Never turn to drugs to solve problems. A drug is just a drug, it can enhance life if used correctly, but it is not your life.
Slim said:
By the way welcome to the Ninjasniper's club. Somehow it seems appropriate...
I'm quite happy to be a part of army.ca's most prestigious group of elite superior and most intelligent individuals.
Slim said:
THAT ADVICE IS BAD, AND THAT IS A STATEMENT MADE OUT OF IGNORANCE :skull: