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Presidential election may be up for grabs

Thucydides said:
More arguments for the Democrats to tear each other apart on. David Frum has a similar piece in the National Post. If Ann Coulter is correct, Hillary Clinton and her supporters can actually make a case at the convention (but not in the general election):

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/AnnCoulter/2008/06/04/obama_was_selected,_not_elected?page=full&comments=true

A word to the wise.
you might want to be careful about citing that particular person in a forum like this.
she has some rather "interesting" opinions about some of our nation's fallen soldiers. rather reminiscent of toobis, in fact.
here's a link to what she had to say about some troops killed on UN duty in Lebanon in july 2006, including one of our own:
http://www.spockosbrain.com/MelanieMorganAnnCoulterOfficerVicjokingaboutdeadUNpeacekeepers07272006H08M06.wma
(WARNING: this is stomach turning stuff. don't click on it if you're worried about your blood pressure.)
 
tomahawk6 said:
Jimmy Carter brought us Op Eagle Claw too. :(
Obama is without question closer in ideology to the communists in Beijing than to Ottawa or London. I dont say that idly.Read his position papers on his own web site. He even states that he would bring war crimes charges against Bush administration officials as well as massive new taxes [income redistribution]. After the convention I expect his proposed policies will come under scrutiny by October. I just dont think the country is ready for the most liberal Senator in the Senate.

Comparing Democrats to commies is an old, flawed argument that I am getting tired of considering that Democrats from earlier periods such as Truman and JFK and LBJ sought to contain the spread of Communism during the first two decades of the Cold War; we have Truman with his policy of "containment" formulated just before the Korean War, then JFK with his actions during the Cuban Missile Crisis and the unfortunately failed Bay of Pigs invasion and then LBJ during the Vietnam years. Advocating more government intervention into the economy to help the lower classes- especially the poor and the homeless, etc.- is not akin to communism where private ownership is totally suspended or even full-blown socialism where the state has complete control of every facet of production; even during the Clinton or Carter years, it was still business as usual and you didn't see the private sectors nationalised. And furthermore, you don't see Democrats shutting down the stock market.

And as for your remarks on Carter, I remember hearing from a documentary that during the Iran hostage crisis, he spent his time at the White House keeping vigil for constant updates to the hostages' situation there, as opposed to campaigning in the final months before he had to stand for reelection, which was where he was supposed to be considering that implies he considered the hostages' lives more important than his reelection. To blame the failure of Operation Eagle Claw wholly upon him is not justified, since I assume he would be only involved in the approval of the plan and the failure of its execution or any flaws in the plan should be blamed on his subordinates.

http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/hostages.phtml

Going back to Obama, even he does not have typical Democratic policies, since he also plans to implement a reduction of the Capital Gains and dividends tax, IIRC. Therefore he is not totally for raising taxes as some opponents argue.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.taxes.html

One point that I will concede to you is the fact that Democrats usually are more wary of international trade and often put up trade barriers, which will be a negative due to the volume of Canada's trade with the US. But the fact that they will put up higher tariffs on trade shows how dependent they are on tariffs as an another, alternate source of revenue/taxes since they would rather not raise taxes on US wage-earners; still this makes moot the argument that they will let foreign enemies threaten foreign trade, since they need that foreign trade so they could raise tariffs on it.

McCain will be better for Canada in this respect, though the auto workers' unions in Ohio, and Michigan, IIRC, would probably want to vote Democrat to put more trade barriers back into place to help protect their jobs, most probably. But isn't there also a similar situation happening to auto workers in Ontario where they are worried about their jobs and striking or making a current mass protest/rally right now since one of the GM/Ford plants closed due to the lack of demand for gas-guzzling vehicles such as trucks and SUVs?

http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=586148
 
Well Cougardaddy like I have stated before todays democrats are a different animal than those of yesteryear.
 
I don't agree, because if they were that different, they wouldn't be getting that much support from older Democrats like Sen. Ted Kennedy, who is one of the last links to "Camelot".

Anyways, McCain has yet another good idea: cutting the tax on foreign ethanol imports. This should go hand in hand with his proposed Federal Gas tax suspension, IIRC.
 
An interesting article which shows a unique, though conflicted perspective of Black Republicans in the United States:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080614/ap_on_el_pr/black_conservatives_obama

Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
By FREDERIC J. FROMMER, Associated Press Writer
Sat Jun 14, 7:18 PM ET

Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's nominee.

"I don't necessarily like his policies; I don't like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it," Williams said. "I can honestly say I have no idea who I'm going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that's incredible."

Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that the Illinois senator doesn't sit beside them ideologically.

"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."

Perhaps sensing the possibility of such a shift, Republican presidential candidate John McCain has made some efforts to lure black voters. He recently told Essence magazine that he would attend the NAACP's annual convention next month, and he noted that he recently traveled to Selma, Ala., scene of seminal voting rights protests in the 1960s, and "talked about the need to include 'forgotten Americans.'"

Still, the Arizona senator has a tall order in winning black votes, no doubt made taller by running against a black opponent. In 2004, blacks chose Democrat John Kerry over President Bush by an 88 percent to 11 percent margin, according to exit polls.

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

Likewise, retired Gen. Colin Powell, who became the country's first black secretary of state under President George W. Bush, said both candidates are qualified and that he will not necessarily vote for the Republican.

"I will vote for the individual I think that brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America and the 21st-century world regardless of party, regardless of anything else other than the most qualified candidate," Powell said Thursday in Vancouver in comments reported by The Globe and Mail in Toronto.

Writer and actor Joseph C. Phillips got so excited about Obama earlier this year that he started calling himself an "Obamacan" — Obama Republican. Phillips, who appeared on "The Cosby Show" as Denise Huxtable's husband, Navy Lt. Martin Kendall, said he has wavered since, but he is still thinking about voting for Obama.


"I am wondering if this is the time where we get over the hump, where an Obama victory will finally, at long last, move us beyond some of the old conversations about race," Phillips said. "That possibly, just possibly, this great country can finally be forgiven for its original sin, or find some absolution."

Yet Phillips, author of the book "He Talk Like a White Boy," realizes the irony of voting for a candidate based on race to get beyond race.

"We have to not judge him based on his race, but on his desirability as a political candidate," he said. "And based on that, I have a lot of disagreements with him on a lot of issues. I go back and forth."

Michael Steele, the Republican former lieutenant governor of Maryland who lost a Senate race there in 2006, said he is proud of Obama as a black man, but that "come November, I will do everything in my power to defeat him." Electing Obama, he said, would not automatically solve the woes of the black community.

"I think people who try to put this sort of messianic mantle on Barack's nomination are a little bit misguided," he said.

John McWhorter, a self-described political moderate who is a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a New York Sun columnist, said Obama's Democratic Party victory "proves that while there still is some racism in the United States, there is not enough to matter in any serious manner. This is a watershed moment."

"Obama is probably more to the left than I would prefer on a lot of issues," he adds. "But this issue of getting past race for real is such a wedge issue for me. And he is so intelligent, and I think he would be a perfectly competent president, that I'm for him. I want him to get in because, in a way, it will put me out of a job."


James T. Harris, a Milwaukee radio talk show host and public speaker, said he opposes Obama "with love in my heart."

"We are of the same generation. He's African American and I'm an American of African descent. We both have lovely wives and beautiful children," Harris said. "Other than that, we've got nothing in common. I hope he loses every state."

Moderate Republican Edward Brooke, who blazed his own trail in Massachusetts in 1966 as the first black popularly elected U.S. senator, said he is "extremely proud and confident and joyful" to see Obama ascend. Obama sent Brooke a signed copy of his book, inscribed, "Thank you for paving the way," and Brooke sent his own signed book to Obama, calling the presumed Democratic nominee "a worthy bearer of the torch."

Brooke, who now lives in Florida, won't say which candidate will get his endorsement, but he does say that race won't be a factor in his decision.

"This is the most important election in our history," Brooke said. "And with the world in the condition that it is, I think we've got to get the best person we can get."

Williams, the commentator, says his 82-year-old mother, who also hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, has already made up her mind.

"She is so proud of Senator Barack Obama, and she has made it clear to all of us that she's voting for him in November," Williams relates. "That is historic. Every time I call her, she asks, 'How's Obama doing?' They feel as if they are a part of this. Because she said, given the history of this country, she never thought she'd ever live to see this moment."
 
And amongst the enlightened elite gender and race don't matter......

Except that the Blacks are lining up behind Obama while Whites, Jews and Hispanics are running away.  Women are lining up behind Hillary while men look to Obama or McCain.

And Party and Ideology bedammed.

And yes, I am talking trends and tendencies and not absolutes - but 95% of Blacks supporting Obama in some of his primaries comes pretty close to absolute.  Hillary only manages to draw 50 to 70% of women.
 
Kirkhill said:
And yes, I am talking trends and tendencies and not absolutes - but 95% of Blacks supporting Obama in some of his primaries comes pretty close to absolute.  Hillary only manages to draw 50 to 70% of women.

Speaking of women, why doesn't McCain choose Condi Rice as a VP? She could take some of Hillary Clinton's and Obama's voters who vote by identity politics.
 
It may be opportune for we Canadians to remind ourselves of how our American neighbours elect their president and why there is so much attention to red states (Republicans) and blue states (Democrats) (opposite to our colour scheme where red = Liberal and blue = Tory).

This Wikipedia article is pretty clear and accurate. For those who resolutely abhor Wikipedia here is the official word from the National Archives and Records Administration - maybe not quite as clear, but they have a neat tool here.

Another useful resource is CNN's Electoral College Map that they promise to update on a regular basis based on current polling data.
 
Kirkhill said:
And amongst the enlightened elite gender and race don't matter......

Except that the Blacks are lining up behind Obama while Whites, Jews and Hispanics are running away.   Women are lining up behind Hillary while men look to Obama or McCain.

And Party and Ideology bedammed.

And yes, I am talking trends and tendencies and not absolutes - but 95% of Blacks supporting Obama in some of his primaries comes pretty close to absolute.  Hillary only manages to draw 50 to 70% of women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinion/15rich.html?ei=5087&em=&en=157adb17eb6d3493&ex=1213761600&pagewanted=print

June 15, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Angry Clinton Women ♥ McCain?
By FRANK RICH
TEN years ago John McCain had to apologize for regaling a Republican audience with a crude sexual joke about Hillary and Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno. Last year he had to explain why he didn’t so much as flinch when a supporter asked him on camera, “How do we beat the bitch?” But these days Mr. McCain just loves the women.

In his televised address on Barack Obama’s victory night of June 3, he dismissed Mr. Obama in a single patronizing line but devoted four fulsome sentences to praising Mrs. Clinton for “inspiring millions of women.” The McCain Web site is showcasing a new blogger who crooned of the “genuine affection” for Mrs. Clinton “here at McCain HQ” after she lost. One of the few visible women in the McCain campaign hierarchy, Carly Fiorina, has declared herself “enormously proud” of Mrs. Clinton and is barnstorming to win over Democratic women to her guy’s cause.

How heartwarming. You’d never guess that Mr. McCain is a fierce foe of abortion rights or that he voted to terminate the federal family-planning program that provides breast-cancer screenings. You’d never know that his new campaign blogger, recruited from The Weekly Standard, had shown his genuine affection for Mrs. Clinton earlier this year by portraying her as a liar and whiner and by piling on with a locker-room jeer after she’d been called a monster. “Tell us something we don’t know,” he wrote.

But while the McCain campaign apparently believes that women are easy marks for its latent feminist cross-dressing, a reality check suggests that most women can instantly identify any man who’s hitting on them for selfish ends. New polls show Mr. Obama opening up a huge lead among female voters — beating Mr. McCain by 13 percentage points in the Gallup and Rasmussen polls and by 19 points in the latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News survey.

How huge is a 13- to 19-percentage-point lead? John Kerry won women by only 3 points, Al Gore by 11.

The real question is how Mr. McCain and his press enablers could seriously assert that he will pick up disaffected female voters in the aftermath of the brutal Obama-Clinton nomination battle. Even among Democrats, Mr. Obama lost only the oldest female voters to Mrs. Clinton.

But as we know from our Groundhog Days of 2008, a fictional campaign narrative, once set in the concrete of Beltway bloviation, must be recited incessantly, especially on cable television, no matter what facts stand in the way. Only an earthquake — the Iowa results, for instance — could shatter such previously immutable story lines as the Clinton campaign’s invincibility and the innate hostility of white voters to a black candidate.

Our new bogus narrative rose from the ashes of Mrs. Clinton’s concession to Mr. Obama, amid the raucous debate over what role misogyny played in her defeat. A few female Clinton supporters — or so they identified themselves — appeared on YouTube and Fox News to say they were so infuriated by sexism that they would vote for Mr. McCain.

Now, there’s no question that men played a big role in Mrs. Clinton’s narrow loss, starting with Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Mark Penn. And the evidence of misogyny in the press and elsewhere is irrefutable, even if it was not the determinative factor in the race. But the notion that all female Clinton supporters became “angry white women” once their candidate lost — to the hysterical extreme where even lifelong Democrats would desert their own party en masse — is itself a sexist stereotype. That’s why some of the same talking heads and Republican operatives who gleefully insulted Mrs. Clinton are now peddling this fable on such flimsy anecdotal evidence.

The fictional scenario of mobs of crazed women defecting to Mr. McCain is just one subplot of the master narrative that has consumed our politics for months. The larger plot has it that the Democratic Party is hopelessly divided, and that only a ticket containing Mrs. Clinton in either slot could retain the loyalty of white male bowlers and other constituencies who tended to prefer her to Mr. Obama in the primaries.

This is reality turned upside down. It’s the Democrats who are largely united and the Republicans who are at one another’s throats.

Yet the myth of Democratic disarray is so pervasive that when “NBC Nightly News” and The Wall Street Journal presented their new poll results last week (Obama, 47 percent; McCain, 41 percent) they ignored their own survey’s findings to stick to the clichéd script. Both news organizations (and NBC’s sibling, MSNBC) dwelled darkly on Mr. Obama’s “problems with two key groups” (as NBC put it): white men, where he is behind 20 percentage points to Mr. McCain, and white suburban women, where he is behind 6 points.

Since that poll gives Mr. Obama not just a 19-point lead among all women but also a 7-point lead among white women, a 6-point deficit in one sliver of the female pie is hardly a heart-stopper. Nor is Mr. Obama’s showing among white men shocking news. No Democratic presidential candidate, including Bill Clinton, has won a majority of that declining demographic since 1964. Mr. Kerry lost white men by 25 points, and Mr. Gore did by 24 points (even as he won the popular vote).

“NBC Nightly News” was so focused on these supposedly devastating Obama shortfalls that there was no mention that the Democrat beat Mr. McCain (and outperformed Mr. Kerry) in every other group that had been in doubt: independents, Catholics, blue-collar workers and Hispanics. Indeed, the evidence that pro-Clinton Hispanics are flocking to Mr. McCain is as nonexistent as the evidence of a female stampede. Mr. Obama swamps Mr. McCain by 62 percent to 28 percent — a disastrous G.O.P. setback, given that President Bush took 44 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004, according to exit polls. No wonder the McCain campaign no longer lists its candidate’s home state of Arizona as safe this fall.

There are many ways that Mr. Obama can lose this election. But his 6-percentage-point lead in the Journal-NBC poll is higher than Mr. Bush’s biggest lead (4 points) over Mr. Kerry at any point in that same poll in 2004. So far, despite all the chatter to the contrary, Mr. Obama is not only holding on to Mrs. Clinton’s Democratic constituencies but expanding others (like African-Americans). The same cannot be said of Mr. McCain and the G.O.P. base.

That story is minimized or ignored in part because an unshakable McCain fan club lingers in some press quarters and in part because it’s an embarrassing refutation of the Democrats-in-meltdown narrative that so many have invested in. Understating the splintering of the Republican base also keeps hope alive for a tight race. As the Clinton-Obama marathon proved conclusively, a photo finish is essential to the dramatic and Nielsen imperatives of 24/7 television coverage.

The conservative hostility toward McCain heralded by the early attacks of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and James Dobson is proliferating. Bay Buchanan, the party activist who endorsed Mitt Romney, wrote this month that Mr. McCain is “incapable of energizing his party, brings no new people to the polls” and “has a personality that is best kept under wraps.” When Mr. McCain ditched the preachers John Hagee and Rod Parsley after learning that their endorsements antagonized Catholics, Muslims and Jews, he ended up getting a whole new flock of evangelical Christians furious at him too.

The revolt is not limited to the usual cranky right-wing suspects. The antiwar acolytes of Ron Paul are planning a large rally for convention week in Minneapolis. The conservative legal scholar Douglas Kmiec has endorsed Mr. Obama, as have both the economic adviser to Newt Gingrich’s “Contract With America,” Lawrence Hunter, and the neocon historian Francis Fukuyama. Rupert Murdoch is publicly flirting with the Democrat as well. Even Dick Cheney emerged from his bunker this month to gratuitously dismiss Mr. McCain’s gas-tax holiday proposal as “a false notion” before the National Press Club.

These are not anomalies. Last week The Hill reported that at least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Mr. McCain. Congressional Quarterly found that of the 62,800 donors who maxed out to Mr. Bush’s campaign in 2004, only about 5,000 (some 8 percent) have contributed to his putative successor.

It was just this toxic stew of inadequate fund-raising and hostility from the base — along with incompetent management — that capsized the McCain campaign last summer. Now the management, at least, is said to be new and improved, but the press is still so distracted by the “divided Democrats” it has yet to uncover how that brilliant McCain team spent weeks choreographing the candidate’s slapstick collision with a green backdrop and self-immolating speech in prime time two weeks ago.

The only figure in the McCain camp who has candidly acknowledged any glitches is his mother, the marvelous 96-year-old Roberta McCain. Back in January she said that she didn’t think her son had any support in the G.O.P. base and that those voters would only take him if “holding their nose.”

The ludicrous idea that votes from Clinton supporters would somehow make up for McCain defectors is merely the latest fairy tale brought to you by those same Washington soothsayers who said Fred Thompson was the man to beat and that young people don’t turn up to vote.


 
John McCain has a chance to reunite the Reagan Democrats. It’s been 30 years since Ronald Reagan captured the whole country – including the large white working class block that was, traditionally, firmly in the Democrat’s camp.

In the 2008 primaries those Reagan Democrats (white middle class voters, again) voted, in large majorities, for Hillary Clinton. In 1992 and 1996 they appear to have abandoned the Republicans (George H.W. Bush – Kennbunkport, Yale and Washington - was hardly a neat ‘fit’ with laid off workers in rust belt states) in favour of a good ol’ boy. But, in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections they appear to have modestly favoured George W Bush over Al Gore and John Kerry or, perhaps, just stayed home.

Can McCain do it? Yes:

• If he appeals to the traditional Middle American virtues of patriotism and prudence. But he has to walk a fine line: reminding older, working class voters of his own sterling record of service and courage while leaving unsaid the question: do you want a Black Man in the White House; but

• He also has to find a new, better campaign style. Obama is a great stump speaker, and he is telegenic. McCain is wooden, to be charitable. He must work the small rooms and church basements, where he shines and where Obama is a surprisingly weak performer; when he has to work a huge event he must make it small by focusing on just a few people up on stage and allowing the rest to see and hear him in a small group setting.

Actually, conservative hostility towards McCain may be neutralized by a concomitant degree of respect and support that will earn him from the independents.

 
Perhaps all that is true Edward but without conservative support he cant win. However,the prospect of an Obama presidency may be frightening enough for them to hold their nose and pull the lever for McCain.
 
  He also has to find a new, better campaign style. Obama is a great stump speaker, and he is telegenic. McCain is wooden, to be charitable. He must work the small rooms and church basements, where he shines and where Obama is a surprisingly weak performer; when he has to work a huge event he must make it small by focusing on just a few people up on stage and allowing the rest to see and hear him in a small group setting.

He also needs to distance himself from "Bush" policies....he has been agreeable to maintaining a lot of the controversial actions that are presently creating so much distaste for Bush, and , while he may agree, he had better not say so.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail are two highly partisan ‘takes’ on the forthcoming US election.

First, Lawrence Martin, another of the Good Grey Globe’s foaming at the mouth anti-Conservative columnists, gives us an anti-McCain and anti-Harper diatribe that, for all its obvious faults, does have some sound political logic:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080616.wcomartin16/BNStory/specialComment
John McCain should stay out of here

LAWRENCE MARTIN

From Monday's Globe and Mail
June 16, 2008 at 7:30 AM EDT

It's rare, perhaps unprecedented, for a U.S. presidential candidate to come to Canada and deliver a political speech in the course of an American election campaign. But here comes John McCain, right on the heels of the NAFTA imbroglio that embarrassed Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government.

The controversy over the Canadian leak of a diplomatic note damaging to Democrat Barack Obama has been receding with time. This can only be pleasing to the Harper team. But the appearance in Ottawa of Mr. McCain, set for Friday, is a good bet to reignite the whole business, putting Ottawa's ignoble deed again in the mix in the race for the White House.

That's bad for the Harper government, bad for bilateral relations. As interesting as it is to have the Republican candidate for the presidency here, better that he stay away.

The Prime Minister didn't invite the Arizona senator. It was the idea of the McCain team, encouraged by U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins with no apparent dissent from the Prime Minister's Office.

No doubt, Mr. McCain feels it will be politically profitable for him to use Canada as a base to remind everyone that he is an ardent free trader while his opponent - if the leaked Canadian memo is to be believed - has been speaking out of both sides of his mouth on the issue. No doubt the McCain team wouldn't mind seeing the NAFTA controversy splattered all over the front pages again.

While the Harperites didn't organize the McCain visit, they have close ties to the Republicans. They will be suspected by Democrats, already angered by the memo episode, of lending a hand to the Republican campaign effort again.

By tradition, Ottawa steers clear of American political campaigns and vice versa. No favouritism is shown because the mere hint of it causes problems. One such example was in the 2000 campaign when Raymond Chrétien, our ambassador in Washington, gave a speech that some interpreted as favouring Democrat Al Gore over George W. Bush. Another was the Canadian election of 1963 in which the Kennedy administration's leanings to Lester Pearson over John Diefenbaker provoked a storm.

Neither of those campaigns featured something as hot as the NAFTA/Obama episode. The diplomatic note suggested Mr. Obama wasn't serious about his campaign trail talk of renegotiating NAFTA. Most observers feel it cost Mr. Obama important votes in the Ohio primary and perhaps elsewhere.

Besides throwing gasoline on that fire, and making bilateral harmony more difficult, the McCain visit comes with another downside for the Harper Conservatives. John McCain is hardly as toxic as George Bush, a president from whom Stephen Harper has wisely kept a distance. But polls have shown Canadians favour the Democrat Obama by nearly a four-to-one margin over Mr. McCain. Common sense says the Tories shouldn't be seen as doing the guy any favours.

His speech will be welcome in one respect. Canadians by and large favour free trade and Mr. McCain will give it a hearty endorsement. It is needed because not only are the Democrats getting ornery on the subject, but the Republicans' record has been unimpressive. On the softwood lumber dispute, they pulled every trick in the book to circumvent the spirit and letter of the agreement.

But this one positive from the McCain visit is far outweighed by the likely negatives. The NAFTA affair is still rife with potentially damaging consequences. Prime Minister Harper himself has termed the matter very serious and unfair to Senator Obama. He called for an internal probe that failed to turn up the source of the leak. Reports have since emerged, however, alleging the PMO leaked the report to a close Republican contact, Frank Sensenbrenner. He is the son of James Sensenbrenner, a Republican congressman from Wisconsin. The diplomatic note then wound up in the hands of the Associated Press.

If these reports are true, it demonstrates unseemly cross-border collusion between Conservatives and Republicans and orchestrated interference in a U.S. election campaign by the Canadian government. Serious stuff.

John McCain is a fellow conservative but he's the last thing the Conservatives need in Ottawa this week. They should tell him to give his speech in North Dakota.

Then, military expert David Bercuson (University of Calgary) explains how an Obama presidency might help Harper:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080616.wcobama16/BNStory/specialComment
How an Obama presidency will play in Canada
He will not be a convenient stick to beat the Harper Tories over the head with

DAVID BERCUSON

From Monday's Globe and Mail
June 16, 2008 at 7:30 AM EDT

If Barack Obama is elected president of the United States in November, there will be a huge impact on Canadian politics.

A black, liberal Democrat in the White House, with or without a Democratic-controlled Congress behind him, may not change the fundamentals of American society and politics - or American foreign policy, for that matter - but he will appear as different from George W. Bush as Mars is from Venus. And that will shake up our political scene as well.

With the exception of the Clinton years (1993-2001), the White House has been a Republican possession since 1981 - and Canadians don't like Republicans. For example, even though Mr. Obama pandered to blue-collar voters in the U.S. by attacking NAFTA - definitely not in Canada's best interests - Canadians would put him in the White House tomorrow if they could. Canadians habitually favour the Democratic Party, even when a president such as Bill Clinton does absolutely nothing to stop genocide in Rwanda.

But it's not just Republicans who most Canadians don't like. We, along with much of the rest of the world, have an especial antipathy for George W. Bush. Over the past eight years, this disdain for the U.S. President - combined with that nasty streak of anti-Americanism that is an ever-present reality in left-of-centre Canadian politics - has made linking Mr. Bush to any Conservative government initiative an effective tactic for both Liberals and New Democrats.

Don't like Canada's involvement in Afghanistan? Call it another of George Bush's wars and let the Tories explain why it's not. Don't like Conservative environmental policies? Claim that Stephen Harper is taking his orders from the White House.

Jean Chrétien's government used Mr. Bush as a perpetual punching bag. Even Paul Martin, a successful businessman in politics who pledged that he would restore Canada-U.S. relations to a more even keel, couldn't resist taking potshots at the Bush administration in the last election campaign.

But that dynamic will change dramatically if Barack Obama is in the White House.

First, Mr. Obama is black. Those Canadians who deeply fear being labelled "politically incorrect" will simply not subject president Barack Obama to the type of personal invective that has become stock-in-trade for them when referring to the current President.

Second, Mr. Obama is a Democrat. And although the U.S. has had several less than sterling presidents who were Democrats - Jimmy Carter led one of the most disastrous administrations in recent American history - Liberals seem to identify almost completely with U.S. Democrats. An Obama administration will not receive the almost automatic criticism that any Republican president gets.

Third, Mr. Obama is an unabashed liberal seeking to expand the American welfare state, the role of government in American society, and the influence of the American trade union movement.

Why, he even seems to be in favour of some sort of medicare! He may occasionally be wrong, but surely he isn't innately wicked.

Finally, he isn't George W. Bush, he didn't support the war in Iraq, and he seems willing to talk to almost any world leader who will talk to him in his search for a kinder and gentler American foreign policy. How quintessentially Canadian - Mr. Obama seems to sound much more like Lloyd Axworthy than George Bush.

He is, of course, undeniably black, liberal and a Democrat. But he is also a patriotic and mainstream American who will, quite simply, pursue American national interests - as did George W. Bush - albeit in a different way. Most assuredly, for example, Mr. Obama will not stop work on the U.S. missile defence program. He will not dial back efforts to destroy al-Qaeda. He will play to U.S. working-class voters to get into office and to stay there, and that will probably not mean a warm and cozy relationship with Canada.

But no matter.

Whatever Barack Obama does, he will not be a convenient stick to beat the Harper Tories over the head with. In fact, with Barack Obama in the White House, Stephen Harper may want to get as close to the new American president as he can. He need not fear being labelled Mr. Obama's clone. In fact, he may embrace it. He may, because Mr. Obama is truly the closest thing to a revolution in American political expectations since John F. Kennedy.

Whatever the reality of Barack Obama turns out to be, there is now, and there will remain for some time after his election - if he is elected - a palpable excitement, a promise of truly generational change, in American politics. And whenever that has happened in the United States, Canadians have tried to get aboard the same bandwagon. Wasn't Pierre Trudeau supposed to be Canada's John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy put together?

Barack Obama in the White House will give Stephen Harper far more leeway than he has had since his election in January, 2006. The more the backroom boys in Canadian politics think about it, the more the Obama factor may play a role in the timing of the next Canadian election.

David Bercuson, professor of history at the University of Calgary, is director of programs for the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute.

US elections matter for Canadians. Like it or not we depend upon the US for a huge share of our (relative) prosperity.

Personally, I would welcome cancelling the NAFTA IF it (cancellation) has no bearing on the pre-existing Canada/US FTA. Free trade with Mexico is problematic for the US and Canada because, like it or not, Mexico is not a 'first world' economy nor does it have 'first world' social and political systems. Beyond that, however, we - Canada and the USA - need to secure our external borders and, concomitantly, ease the controls on our internal ones (including, for Canadians, our inter-provincial ones).
 
I guess no one took my question of Condi Rice as a possible McCain VP from earlier seriously. Thoughts?
 
CougarDaddy said:
I guess no one took my question of Condi Rice as a possible McCain VP from earlier seriously. Thoughts?

If you plant you flag in the Republican camp, why would you flip over to the Democrats simply over color?
 
CougarDaddy said:
I guess no one took my question of Condi Rice as a possible McCain VP from earlier seriously. Thoughts?

According to what I'm reading/hearing, the VP candidate needs to bring some of those electoral votes I discussed a few posts back with him/her. This is why popular state governors/senators are regular choices. Harry Truman brought traditionally Republican Missouri to Roosevelt; Lyndon Johnson brought Texas to JFK; etc. Rice doesn't have a major state constituency - it's not clear that even Rice + the Governator combined can deliver California.

Go to that CNN map I referenced earlier today and look at the swing states and you might find a likely candidate there.

I was surprised to read that black conservative Republican J.C. Watts is talking openly about supporting Obama. I’m not surprised that any black American might decide to vote for Obama – given the history of race in the USA it might be difficult for any black American not to vote for him. What surprises me is that such a well known Republican would say so in public - especially one who was, briefly, mooted as a potential VP candidate.

Here is an old article about some of McCain’s potential VP choices.

I think:

• Given his age, McCain needs to bring a really credible “heartbeat away from the presidency” candidate to the race – no more Spiro Agnew or Dan Quayle types;

• Given his age, McCain needs to bring an attractive, media savvy (relatively) young person to the race; and

• Given the history of race in America, McCain doesn’t need a black candidate – Obama’s race is already divisive enough.

Regarding that last comment: I’m not an American, but I do spend quite a bit of time there and I do have a fair number of American acquaintances and I think I have some understanding of he race issue . I was surprised, last winter, at the number of people who admitted, to me, that they did not think they would/could vote for a black candidate or did not think a black candidate could be elected – suggesting that they weren’t racist but they know a bunch of folks who were. I was, therefore, not surprised when CNN raised race in some of their exit poll questions and also got a highly negative response.


 
Mr. Campbell,

Thank you for your long response.

Another problem for McCain could also be Ron Paul, who intends to be a thorn for the rest of the Republican Party by holding his own shadow convention of his million or so supporters, IIRC, when the GOP holds its convention in September.

Anyways, here is another article links which confirms that now even Al Gore has endorsed Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080616/ap_on_el_pr/obama_g...yeyCNxPmrGQKWtOs0NUE

Gore endorses Obama and promises to help him

By NEDRA PICKLER,
Associated Press Writer
29 minutes ago

FLINT, Mich. - Al Gore announced his endorsement of Barack Obama Monday and promised to help the Democrat achieve what eluded him — the presidency.

In a letter to be e-mailed to Obama supporters, the former vice president and Nobel Prize winner wrote, "From now through Election Day, I intend to do whatever I can to make sure he is elected president of the United States."

In 2000, Gore won the popular vote but lost the disputed 2000 election to George W. Bush, who captured Florida and its electoral votes after a divided Supreme Court ended the recount. Since then, Gore has made combatting global warming his signature issue, and has been recognized worldwide for his effort — from an Academy Award for a documentary for his effort to the Nobel prize.

Gore is one of the most popular figures in the Democratic Party, but he maintained a low profile in the primary campaign. He's planning to appear with Obama at a rally in Detroit Monday night.

It's the second time that Obama has rolled out a major endorsement in Michigan, a state he did not campaign in during the primary because its election violated the party rules. Obama is counting on a win in Michigan in November, but brought Gore and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards to help validate him among Democrats in the state after skipping their primary.

"It means a lot, obviously," Obama said of Gore's support, as he greeted workers outside the General Motors Flint Engine South plant. "He's somebody who is a visionary, not just for the party, but for the country."

Gore also asked for donations to help fund Obama's effort — the first time he's asked members of his Web site AlGore.com to contribute to a political campaign.

"Over the past 18 months, Barack Obama has united a movement. He knows change does not come from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or Capitol Hill. It begins when people stand up and take action," Gore wrote. "With the help of millions of supporters like you, Barack Obama will bring the change we so desperately need in order to solve our country's most pressing problems."

Obama focused on his plan to improve the economy while in Michigan, which has the nation's highest unemployment rate. He told a crowd in Flint, which had a seasonally unadjusted April unemployment rate of 9.3 percent, that they cannot fear globalization but must embrace it as a reality of the future.

"At critical moments of transition like this one, success has also depended on national leadership that moved the country forward with confidence and a common purpose," he said.
 
Kirkhill said:
And amongst the enlightened elite gender and race don't matter......

Except that the Blacks are lining up behind Obama while Whites, Jews and Hispanics are running away.  Women are lining up behind Hillary while men look to Obama or McCain.
And Party and Ideology bedammed.

And yes, I am talking trends and tendencies and not absolutes - but 95% of Blacks supporting Obama in some of his primaries comes pretty close to absolute.  Hillary only manages to draw 50 to 70% of women.
How did he manage to beat Hillary if Jews, Hispanics and Whites were all running from him?  ???
 
In any "small" election like a primary, organization and getting out the vote wins. Obama had the advantage of the youthful enthusiasts that also energized the JFK campaign. The Clintons made some very dumb decisions, which might not have cost them, oops her, the prize, but Obama got an early lead and the opposition was not able to catch up, even though Senator O is less than an attractive candidate in much of the blue blobs on the map, and that is much, much more than his skin colour.
 
I agree Old Sweat Hillary lost the primaries because she underestimated Obama. Obama got alot of his early lead based on wins in caucus states which wont help in the general.Also some of Obama's vote was an anti-Hillary vote just as some of McCain's vote came from democrats in the early states who had crossed over. Obama is strong among blacks who I think are 12% of the population. He is going to need alot of white voters to win.McCain has to outdraw the democrats among the hispanic community.Dissatisfied dem's may help McCain but if he doesnt get the conservative vote its a toss up.

Map of black population.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.html
 
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