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PERs : All issues questions...2003-2019

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Scootermcg said:
Does anyone have any more info about the option to opt out of a per?

I submitted my request as per the cfpas manual to opt out of the per system this  year.  Reasoning:
-release date in September
-only a few weeks observed at current unit with no input from previous unit

My request was denied with reasons stated "it doesn't meet the criteria".  Although one of the specified reasons to opt out is retirement/release.

I have indicated my desire to submit a grievance for that decision, and they are pushing me to sign the per anyway. 

Any advice? Any reference materials other than cfpas manual?

As others have said, the final decision as to whether you receive a PER is not yours.  Furthermore, why are you upset about this?  It doesn't mean anymore work for you.  Grieving that your PER is unfair and/or doesn't reflect your performance is one thing, but I tend to think that grieving the fact they wrote a PER on you when you asked them not to is kind of silly.

Don't burn your bridges.  You may be getting out now, but who knows what the future might bring?  You may want re-enrole someday or join the Reserve.  It's best not to go out on a sour note.
 
I found this article, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The Washington Post, very interesting:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2015/07/21/in-big-move-accenture-will-get-rid-of-annual-performance-reviews-and-rankings/
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In big move, Accenture will get rid of annual performance reviews and rankings

By Lillian Cunningham

July 21

As of September, one of the largest companies in the world will do all of its employees and managers an enormous favor: It will get rid of the annual performance review.

Accenture CEO Pierre Nanterme told The Washington Post that the professional services firm, which employs hundreds of thousands of workers in cities around the globe, has been quietly preparing for this “massive revolution” in its internal operations.

“Imagine, for a company of 330,000 people, changing the performance management process—it’s huge,” Nanterme said. “We’re going to get rid of probably 90 percent of what we did in the past.”

The firm will disband rankings and the once-a-year evaluation process starting in fiscal year 2016, which for Accenture begins this September. It will implement a more fluid system, in which employees receive timely feedback from their managers on an ongoing basis following assignments.

Accenture is joining a small but prominent list of major corporations that have had enough with the forced rankings, the time-consuming paperwork and the frustration engendered among managers and employees alike. Six percent of Fortune 500 companies have gotten rid of rankings, according to management research firm CEB.

These companies say their own research, as well as outside studies, ultimately convinced them that all the time, money and effort spent didn't ultimately accomplish their main goal — to drive better performance among employees.

In March, the consulting and accounting giant Deloitte announced that it was piloting a new program in which, like at Accenture, rankings would disappear and the evaluation process would unfold incrementally throughout the year. Deloitte is also experimenting with using only four simple questions in its reviews, two of which simply require yes or no answers.


Microsoft did away with its rankings nearly two years ago, attracting particular attention since it had long evangelized about the merits of its system that judged employees against each other. Adobe, Gap and Medtronic have also transformed their performance-review process.

“All this terminology of rankings—forcing rankings along some distribution curve or whatever—we’re done with that,” Nanterme said of Accenture's decision. “We’re going to evaluate you in your role, not vis à vis someone else who might work in Washington, who might work in Bangalore. It’s irrelevant. It should be about you.”

Though many major companies still haven’t taken the leap, most are aware that their current systems are flawed. CEB found that 95 percent of managers are dissatisfied with the way their companies conduct performance reviews, and nearly 90 percent of HR leaders say the process doesn’t even yield accurate information.

“Employees that do best in performance management systems tend to be the employees that are the most narcissistic and self-promoting,” said Brian Kropp, the HR practice leader for CEB. “Those aren’t necessarily the employees you need to be the best organization going forward.”


Brain research has shown that even employees who get positive reviews experience negative effects from the process. It often triggers disengagement, and constricts our openness to creativity and growth.

CEB also found that the average manager spends more than 200 hours a year on activities related to performance reviews—things like sitting in training sessions, filling out forms and delivering evaluations to employees. When you add up those hours, plus the cost of the performance-management technology itself, CEB estimates that a company of about 10,000 employees spends roughly $35 million a year to conduct reviews.

“The process is too heavy, too costly for the outcome,” Nanterme said. “And the outcome is not great.”

Interestingly, though, the decision to roll out an updated approach usually has little to do with reining in those numbers. Kropp said companies aren’t likely to save much time or money by transitioning away from their old ratings systems to a new evaluation process. Where they stand to benefit is, instead, the return on those investments. “The smartest companies are asking, how do we get the best value out of the time and money we are spending?” Kropp said.

That’s the question Accenture posed to itself. And its answer was that performance management had to change from trying to measure the value of employees’ contribution after the fact. It needed instead to regularly support and position workers to perform better in the future.

“The art of leadership is not to spend your time measuring, evaluating,” Nanterme said. “It’s all about selecting the person. And if you believe you selected the right person, then you give that person the freedom, the authority, the delegation to innovate and to lead with some very simple measure.”


Performance evaluation is not new. We know, for example, that the Royal Navy had the main elements of a "merit system" (examinations, evaluations, recommendations) in place in the 18th century. The British Army switched to its version of a "merit" system (which included performance evaluations) in the 1880s.

The system has become more formal and complex over the years ~ some (many?) executives (and military leaders, too?) think it has become too formal, too complex, too remote (from the individual concerned and his team leader) and, simply, just too big.

I'm prepared to guarantee that Accenture, Deloitte and Microsoft are not promoting people based on simple seniority or, even, just on one team leader's say-so, but, it appears to me, that those companies (and the others in the "six percent of Fortune 500 companies") have made managers and executive responsible for hiring, firing, training and promoting the right people.

Some radical points to consider:

    1. Promotion to corporal might require only three things ~

        a. Successful completion of a junior leadership course (in other words separate trade skill/training from leadership/,management training);

        b. The Commanding Officer's approval; and

        c. An open position on the establishment.

    2. Equally, promotion to captain might be very similar: examinations (shades of the 18th century Royal Navy), the CO's recommendation and an open position.

The responsibility for promotion would, then, rest with the people most involved: the individual her/himself and the local (ship/unit) chain of command. Ottawa, even MOG/brigade/wing or division or command, would not have any role ~ beyond establishment approval ~ in promotions (or selection for courses) beyond setting a really good example of leadership at the higher levels.
 
I know when I did my PLQ 5 years ago, there was very limited exposure to PDR's. The majority of exposure a person gets is thru hands on experience. Do the same apply to officers?
 
Very much so.  There is little formal training on the process at any level.  What I did during my Phase 3 almost mirrored my PLQ.  Generally though each unit has slightly different way of doing PDRs, some good some bad so what is taught isn't always that relevant.
 
I like to expose the CFPAS program to my troops at a young age. Almost from the time they get to me actually. I don't want to see their part 3 and 4 in ink or typed up in a word doc. I give them the electronic version of their part 1 / 2 and teach them how to navigate in the program. When it comes time for me (or my MCpls) to receive the part 3s, it's done directly on CFPAS and emailed. Several things happen - member is familiar with the program, less work for the MCpl / Sgt and document continuity is retained. Good PD for everyone!
 
When I was promoted to MCpl, I had never written a PER before and I had four that year to write.

When I was promoted to Sgt, as PD, I would have my Cpls write "PERs" on the Ptes under them. This gave them the experience in writing them, as well as meat for the MCpls to write the Cpls with.
 
211RadOp said:
When I was promoted to MCpl, I had never written a PER before and I had four that year to write.

When I was promoted to Sgt, as PD, I would have my Cpls write "PERs" on the Ptes under them. This gave them the experience in writing them, as well as meat for the MCpls to write the Cpls with.



I once did that, but my CoC thought it was a dumb idea. Some of my Cpl's fail to see the logic behind this. They will probably learn the hard way and wish they had exposure to the CFPAS program! I think that PDR's and PER' should be taught more frequently on certain courses!
 
Mediman14 said:
I once did that, but my CoC thought it was a dumb idea. Some of my Cpl's fail to see the logic behind this. They will probably learn the hard way and wish they had exposure to the CFPAS program! I think that PDR's and PER' should be taught more frequently on certain courses!

I believe all of these little Administrative tasks should be passed on to young members early so that they see the importance of them and have knowledge of how to effectively use them.  They do have significant affect on people's careers.  Lack of a supervisor to effectively document their personnel, allows less deserving personnel who do have supervisors who have meticulously documented their performance, to get loaded more often on career courses and taskings.
 
I had all my Cpls do the OJT crews PDRs. That way they had the exposure to CFPAS and its good PD for them.

Ive always taught them to answer 3 questions: what they did, how they did it (based on the word picture book), and what was the outcome. After that its just practice with structure and grammar to get it the way the CoC wants.
PERs have gotten much easier to write as most of the meat of them have been removed. I have a feeling in a few years it will be bubble score only with maybe a COs recommendation.
 
sidemount said:
Ive always taught them to answer 3 questions: what they did, how they did it (based on the word picture book), and what was the outcome. After that its just practice with structure and grammar to get it the way the CoC wants.
PERs have gotten much easier to write as most of the meat of them have been removed. I have a feeling in a few years it will be bubble score only with maybe a COs recommendation.

That was a few years ago... now the formula is "Did X - Y happened" All PERs are written in a quasi-point form with literally NO help from the WPB now with the exception of where do we put the dots. This in turn for me, leads to the question - do I do the PDRs differently? As sidemount stated, we have always written PDRs so that we can steal sentences for the PERs, but this can't be done like this any more.
 
I keep doing the PDRs the old way with the how, one: because thats how my bosses wanted it, and two: this is what we can use for justification of PER points. Its a lot easier argue the points when you have all your paperwork following the WPB, especially when the member decides to grieve.

You are absolutly right though, the WPB is no help for PERs, we are dictated the number of lines to use, done in point form with what they did and the outcome. Seem kind of pointless to have it there now.
 
Not sure as to the validity of this, however I hear that in the near future, when you choose a dot, a dropdown box will appear on the right with a few "blanket" statements pertaining to said dot... for example:

I am in the CFPAS document PER. Tombstone data entered correctly. I choose "AA" for Writen Communication. in the narritive area, I can then choose one of three or four statements with the correct tone - "Member facilitated orders WELL from his/her CoC" or "Member displayed GOOD accuracy when passing orders to his/her subordinates"...

Or something to that effect!
 
With the implementation of the upgrade and update to HRMS, it is probable that the new personnel evaluation system will leverage the same tool.  So a PER, once completed and approved in electronic form will automagically be part of the pers file - no more printing, signing and mailing to DMCA (who then scan the resulting file).

There's a lot of work behind the scenes of this as well, starting with the question "What do we need to assess for performance and potential to best develop and select CAF personnel fo future employment?"
 
Sounds like a possible step in the right direction. We have come a long way from the old "He done good. He could do better" system (When I tell young soldiers my first PER was a 6.2 I get some fairly odd looks...) But we still have a ways to go. Utilizing HRMS stays in stride with the paperless era, speeding the process and I like it. And a lot of us really don't realize the work it takes behind the scenes to make improvements to something we have been using as a career advancement tool for over 60 years!

If they ask the right questions, as you put it, and continued to use the common sense they are beginning to display, we may very well have a viable product in a few years.

I believe the Americans write a test for promotion - it's based on knowledge. If you have no idea what you're doing, then a PFC you'll stay! I wonder...
 
There is one thing about the new PER system, there is the potential to have a blank PER based on the bubbles. I personally is not a big fan of that particular part.
 
The unit I was just at tried to do that for every single person on OJT

Based on PDRs written from the various units they went to on OJT rotation....there were a few grievences submitted
 
I like the idea of exposing people to it early.  But given the fact that they've changed it twice within the last couple of years; what training is ever going to be sufficient??

I rather liken it to the time when they were contemplating bringing in the "combat" bra and several of us females got a questionnaire.

One question was: How would you advise a new female trainee in the field regarding undergarments? (It may have been worded differently but that was the gist).

My reply:  Nothing, they'll learn it soon enough.  >:D

It may seem a tad flippant, but they will learn.  Advise them to keep copies of their own and any they might have written with personal details (SN, name, etc) blacked out for future reference.  And let them know you're available for advice. 
 
Mediman14 said:
There is one thing about the new PER system, there is the potential to have a blank PER based on the bubbles. I personally is not a big fan of that particular part.

I have done that. Last season. Two SNDs... nothing but sots - no narrative. I wasn't a fan either. I realize that PDRs are there for a reason, but when a PER is blank, it tends to send a message... the right message but the completely wrong way. It's like "You're coming along, gettin better, but I couldn't be bothered to write anything about you. You were less than memorable in anything you did. Thanks for comin out sport..."

Meh.
 
BinRat55 said:
I have done that. Last season. Two SNDs... nothing but sots - no narrative. I wasn't a fan either. I realize that PDRs are there for a reason, but when a PER is blank, it tends to send a message... the right message but the completely wrong way. It's like "You're coming along, gettin better, but I couldn't be bothered to write anything about you. You were less than memorable in anything you did. Thanks for comin out sport..."

Meh.

Particularily when the unit is not giving PDRs. And lets be honest, it happens way more than it should. The narrative serves on a PER serves two functions. First, it justifies the bubbles. The second, and equally if not more importantly, provides written feedback to the member on his/her performance over the reporting period. If you know where you stand, you can improve. Writing the narrative sucked but it was something supervisors had to do. It seemed that the new one is aimed at making supervisors lives easier not helping the people the PERs are written for.
 
And herein lies the issue - one should not be "surprised" during a PER interview. If (and as you stated, assuming you stay on top of the PDR process) the PDR process is followed correctly, all members should know where they stand. Always. Remember - we give corrective PDRs (5Bs) there is no reason you can't issue a 5A if the member does exceptional at / with something. These 5As and 5Bs coupled with the regular interval (quarterly) PDRs allow the member to improve or maintain conduct all year 'round.

Also, I truly believe it's a supervisor's responsibility to stay on top of this process. Too many times have I heard "Our CoC doesn't give PDRs regularly or at all..." It's a complete cop out and sheer laziness  - to heck with the CoC - do it for your subordinates yourselves. It is a disservice to those who get YOU promoted. (Not meant towards you Tcm... just a sore spot with me...).
 
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