Pay: Statements, Backpay, Benefits, Deductions (Taxes, T4), Deployed ect... [MERGED]

[Gryphon]

Yeah.. comms.. i think that if your already a qualified sig op, then they give you a 40 000$ bonus..

maybe someone can confirm this tho

 

[Paul F]

Originally posted by chk2fung:
[qb] Hi

I was wondering about the Canadian Forces pay scale. Not that it really bothere me, cause I think there‘s no better job then the CF. All I know about the pay scale is moving down and to the right is GOOD!!!

I was told pay depends on education adn time in. is this correct? I‘m not exactly sure how they fit you in each pay category and I‘m not talking about specialist stuff, like combat diving, jump pay, EOD etc. For example if you have a master‘s degree or a doctorate what category would you fit under. Similarly if you‘ve been in for 20 years and you‘re a Warrant what would yo be in the same pay scale as a Warrant that‘s been in for 25 years. If you hold a professional designation like a CA or P.Eng. do they consider that in your pay. For example lawyers, doctors, pilots get paid more. Lawyers, doctors, chaplains are commissioned captains. why is that? Engineers and medical officers get signing bonuses is this merely because there are a lack of them. Are there signing bonuses for NCM trades? [/qb]

That‘s correct, moving to the right and down is good. If you are an untrained recruit(ie. you aren‘t trained in your specific trade), you will start as a private. They make just over 2,000 a month(about 26,000 a year), before taxes and get a pay increase every year on the anniversary of their enlistment date. Then after 4 years(sometimes 3) you will be automatically be promoted to Corporal, which has a starting pay around 40,000 a year and a pay topping out at just under 48,000 a year. From there, you have to earn all your promotions from there. Every year you will be evaluated by your superiors and then from a pool of all the people in your trade, they will make a merit list. So when someone retires, the first person on the list will be promoted, when another person retires, the second person on the merit list will be promoted. You get the picture. Every year the merit list is redone to reflect the past year. Specialist pay is for some select trades(ie. Technicians) and they get a couple hundred extra a month just for being in the trade. On top of that the combat pay, jump pay, hazard pay, etc. is paid to all those who qualify.

If you have a Master‘s or Doctorate degree you would most likely go in as an Officer. Starting off as a 2Lt. then being automatically promoted to Lt. after a couple years and then Captain after that. Captain‘s make around 80,000 a year. Not bad. From there they can be promoted every few years to Maj., Lt-Col, Col, etc. just like NCM. Like NCM‘s, they are put to a merit board to decide who is most worthy of a promote.

Your pay isn‘t really dictated by the time you have in. You get paid based on your rank and time in at that rank. When you get promoted there are 3-4 pay increases that you get automatically each year. So a Warrant Officer, would get a pay increase of 100-200/month for the first 3-4 years he/she was at that rank and then after that their pay would stay the same until they were promoted again and the cycle would repeat itself. By the way, I‘m not sure how much the increases are or how much WO‘s make, but it‘s around the 100-200 range.

If you had a degree like P.Eng, you probably wouldn‘t get any extra pay to the best of my knowledge. You would be enlisted as an officer probably and make the same as most other officer at your rank. Lawyers, Pilots, and Doctors are a whole other ball of wax. They get extra pay and signing bonuses because the CF is desperate for them and wants to retain them once they get them. That‘s why they make so much money, the CF is trying to compete with civilian companies for doctors, lawyers, and pilots and if they knew they could get more in the civilian world, they would jump at the chance(money makes the world go ‘round!)

There are sometimes signing bonuses for NCM‘s. Depends on your training, the need for new recruits in the trade, etc. If they are low on people and you are trained, you will probably get some sort of signing bonus.

 

[meni0n]

Basic captain pay is 60k a year and you‘ll have to earn all the ranks above captain just like you earn all the ranks above cpl.

 

[rdschultz]

Originally posted by gryphon664:
[qb] Yeah.. comms.. i think that if your already a qualified sig op, then they give you a 40 000$ bonus..

maybe someone can confirm this tho [/qb]

The $40,000 bonuses are for signal officers, and other engineering officers.

Some NCM trades have either a $10k and $25k bonuses.

 

[GerryCan]

I just returned from Roto 13 so I‘m going to put in my ‘2 cents worth as well.‘
I‘m not sure why there is such a fuss over an income tax break for people being deployed in Bosnia right now. A few years back, yes I would definetely agree. But the system they are abiding by now may not be perfect or ‘fair‘ to some, but it makes sense.
Why should we who just got back from a 6 month vacation where we did just as many ‘Ex‘s‘ as we did ‘Ops‘ be eligible for an income tax break?
Sure I woke up many-a-morning wondering what the **** I was doing in that forsaken country, but it sure as **** wasn‘t because of the fact that I missed my wifey back home so dearly and couldn‘t take the non-existent stress anymore. It was because nothing at all is going on there, what is the mission there as it stands? Yeah talk all the jargon of the Difference we are making there, but it still doesn‘t add up, what‘s done is done and let‘s move on.
Whereas the boys in Afghanistan do have the constant threat that is substantially larger than anything that is remotely considered a threat in Bosnia. Yeah one time I almost got hit by a car walking across the street to the CD shop in between naps. Come off it. I for one on my first tour got around 1200 extra/ month to do gate shifts, a few patrols here and there, respond to a couple car accidents, one of which received a CO‘s accomodation(????) and talk to the locals. Bad go? I think not. Afghanistan, Haiti? Totally different ball game, they may or may not sit around like we did, but in a completely different environment.
But like I said, just my opinion, among pretty much everyone else I worked with.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Gerry,

one of which received a CO‘s accomodation(????)

So what did you do that the CO gave you his quarters? Oh wait.. You mean CO‘s commendation! Just kidding

 

[soon to be infantry]

If you look on the pay scales for a reg force NCM member you see an incentive pay category, for private its 1-3 and from corp and up its basic then 1-4. How long would it usually take a private to move up in the incentive category?
thanks

 

[D-n-A]

with each year you‘ve been in, you move up in pay

when you join, your a P1 pay, after you‘ve been in a year, your get P2 pay, etc

once you‘ve been a private for 3 years, theres no more pay raises for time-in, the next big pay raise would be when your promoted to Cpl

 

[soon to be infantry]

Thanks alot D-N-A.

 

[GerryCan]

You got me recceguy, and to think that I usually check my posts over

 

[CDNBlackhawk]

The recruiters told me that u would recieve a pay raise after Basic training by going to the next lvl of private for pay.

 

[D-n-A]

when you first join up, your a Private(Recruit), after your basic training, you become a Private(Trained), theres a bit of a pay increase there

 

[Armymedic]

We‘ll see how this goes, it‘ll be intresting to see what risk rating Haiti gets...and now that CFPSA has wieghed into the mix to give the Gov‘t something more to think about...

I am waiting patiently for the headlines.

 

[Pte. Bloggins]

Originally posted by D-n-A:
[qb] when you first join up, your a Private(Recruit), after your basic training, you become a Private(Trained), theres a bit of a pay increase there [/qb]

What? Unless I‘m mistaken, you become a private (trained) and get your hook after completing your MOC training. Your pay increase comes once you‘ve been in a year.

 

[kaspacanada]

Last I saw, in the reg force you didn‘t get a hook until you‘d had a year after being trained. The reserves work differently, or at least all the units I worked with and have seen did.

 

[D-n-A]

I‘m going by how it is in the reserve

also, a Private(Trained) doesnt get a hook, a Private(Basic) does though

 

[Pte. Bloggins]

Um, so am I

and wtf is a private(basic)?
*recalls rank structure pushups*
private recruit....private trained...corporal...
nope, not there

 

[kaspacanada]

When I finished QL3 reserve infantry, I got a hook and a small pay raise. That was private trained. My course was combined QL2/3 infantry. A Private, with just basic training (QL2) doesn‘t get a hook. I got a raise after my first year. And again in my second year, and again in my third year as a reservist. Then I left the reserves for the regular force.

Just a note, they‘ve apparently changed a lot of the qualification names since I did my course. So who knows what they call basic and trained today.

 

[kaspacanada]

When you are a Private Recruit, doing your first phase of training, you are doing your ‘basic‘. You are still a Private Recruit. You then move on to your trade training which for me, was reserve infantry. When I finished that, I was Private trained and got my hook.

 

[Armymedic]

Well heres the end of this...

We Got It!

And as spoken above they did it in a big spashy press conference in Gagetown.

Take note of all those other soldiers and Police Officers who now get this tax relief who are not in Haiti or Bosnia. It is a quite a few others around the world who are not home with their families.


News Release
Government of Canada Extends Tax Break to Military and Police Personnel
NRâ “04.028 - April 14, 2004

OTTAWA â “ Today, the Government of Canada confirmed that the tax exemption for Canadian Forces members and police officers announced in Budget 2004 is extended to all deployments except low-risk missions. The Prime Minister, the Right Honourable Paul Martin, made the announcement at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown.

With this measure, approximately 3,000 Canadian Forces members and police officers deployed abroad will benefit from a tax exemption, including Afghanistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Haiti.

â Å“Those who put their life on the line to protect Canadians deserve our support,â ? Minister Pratt said. â Å“The tax break will improve the quality of life of our Canadian Forces members and their families.â ?

Retroactive to January 1 st, 2004, the employment income that Canadian Forces and police personnel earn while deployed to high-risk and current moderate-risk operational missions will be exempt from income tax. The tax break will apply, regardless of the length of the deployment and the rank, up to the highest level of pay earned by a non-commissoned member of the Canadian Forces â “ approximately $6,000 per month.

Budget 2004 introduced this measure in recognition of the special contribution that Canadian Forces personnel and police make to international peace and stability while serving their country on international missions.

The lists of eligible missions can be found in the attached annexes.

- 30 -

For more information, please contact:

Darren Gibb
Director of Communications
Office of the Minister of National Defence
(613) 996-3100

Annex 1 â “ List of Present Military Missions Eligible for Tax Exemption

Location
Mission
Number of Personnel
(as of April 08, 2004)

Afghanistan
UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan
1

Afghanistan
NATO International Security Assistance Force (ISAF)
1682

Bosnia-Herzegovina
NATO Stabilization Force (SFOR)
651

Congo
UN Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (MONUC)
7

Haiti
UN Multinational Interim Force
511

Iraq
Iraqi Freedom (exchange personnel)
2

Kuwait
Iraqi Freedom (exchange personnel)
1

Middle East
UN Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO)
8

Middle East
UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF)
193

Middle East (Sinai)
Multinational Force and Observers (MFO)
28

Senegal
Office of the Secretary General for West Africa
1

Sierra Leone
UN Mission in Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL)
5

Sierra Leone
International Military Assistance Training Team (IMATT)
7



Annex 2 â “ List of Present Police Missions Eligible for Tax Exemption

Location
Mission
Number of Personnel
(as of April 08, 2004)

Bosnia-Herzegovina
Office of the High Representative (OHR)
European Union Police Mission (EUPM)
8 (6 RCMP officers)

Côte d'Ivoire
UN Operation in Côte D'Ivoire (UNOCI)
2 (2RCMP officers)

East Timor
UN Mission in Support of East Timor (UNMISET)
7 (3 RCMP officers)

Guinea
UN High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR)
2 (2 RCMP officers)

Iraq
Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)
1 (RCMP)

Jordan
Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)
20 (11 RCMP officers)

Sierra Leone
UN Mission in Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL)

Special Court for Sierra Leone (SCSL)
13 (8 RCMP officers)