Oldgateboatdriver said:Just a few comments:
First of all, what the heck is an "allision" as opposed to a collision ??? 24 years in the Navy and never heard the term. Just looked up my Oxford dictionary, my Webster dictionary and my Jackson's Nautical Terms and Definitions and it's not even mentioned as an existing term. The creation of PA officer to spare CHI the ignominy of being involved in yet another collision? I can guarantee that the paperwork that now has to be done is called a "Collision and Grounding Report".
Second, I don't know how the Summary Investigation report will read, but if I was writing it, it would likely read "Who was the idiot Harbour Master who thaught it was a good idea to park training vessels, operated by trainees, so they would have to manoeuver in close proximity to an expansive vessel covered in electronics systems and special coating called a submarine - a type of vessel that is much wider and longer than they appear from what sticks out on the surface - with protrusions forward, aft and to the side that a trainee may not anticipate."
Humphrey Bogart said:What did the poor Submarine ever do to you Mr. Orca? ;D
Yet another example of "it isn't just the shipbuilding industry, Government of Canada, special interest groups we need protection from" we clearly also need protection from ourselves >
Sounds like a pretty specific kind of contact ...Oldgateboatdriver said:... what the heck is an "allision" as opposed to a collision ??? 24 years in the Navy and never heard the term. Just looked up my Oxford dictionary, my Webster dictionary and my Jackson's Nautical Terms and Definitions and it's not even mentioned as an existing term ...
Holy buzzword, Batman ...1 obsolete : the action of dashing against or striking upon
2 : the running of one ship upon another ship that is stationary —distinguished from collision
Oldgateboatdriver said:It's not quite like that HB. When manoeuvring like that for coming alongside or leaving harbour, contact at very low speed happens or can potentially happen quite frequently. That is why all ships have and use fenders, usually some fixed (tied down at strategic location) and a number hand held by seaman so they can be moved to points of contact. When that happen, nothing come of it and the vessels just bounce of the fenders. Problem is, today's fenders are all pneumatic - inflated rubber tubes or balls in shapes, and, well, a "balloon" floats so it can't sink in the water to be set between the protruding hull of a submarine and a surface vessel. So it can cause [:-[
Oldgateboatdriver said:Second, I don't know how the Summary Investigation report will read, but if I was writing it, it would likely read "Who was the idiot Harbour Master who thaught it was a good idea to park training vessels, operated by trainees, so they would have to manoeuver in close proximity to an expansive vessel covered in electronics systems and special coating called a submarine - a type of vessel that is much wider and longer than they appear from what sticks out on the surface - with protrusions forward, aft and to the side that a trainee may not anticipate."
Colin P said:Sounds like they hit a trim vane which had a wooden fender to protect it, I guess they have the sub where they do to prevent it from being hit by bigger ships that can do damage to it.
milnews.ca said:Sounds like a pretty specific kind of contact ...Holy buzzword, Batman ...
SeaKingTacco said:I always kind of wondered about the wisdom of nesting the Orcas right behind the submarine berth. It has got to be about the hardest jetty to get to in Esquimalt, and yet that is where they put the training ships....
Humphrey Bogart said:Train to fail ;D
SeaKingTacco said:I always kind of wondered about the wisdom of nesting the Orcas right behind the submarine berth. It has got to be about the hardest jetty to get to in Esquimalt, and yet that is where they put the training ships....