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cupper said:Big question in the news today is why he has chosen to hide out in Hong Kong, which has an extradition treaty with the US. :facepalm:
Nemo888 said:All electronic communications are monitored all the time. It's gotten really cold war Soviet over here though.
Snowden and his girlfriend were strikingly standoffish while living in a home in the residential Royal Kunia neighborhood of Waipahu, and seemed to go out of their way to avoid conversations with passers-by, neighbor Carolyn Tijing said in a telephone interview. Tijing said that her husband went to introduce himself to Snowden and his girlfriend shortly after they moved across the street from the Tijings but that Snowden declined to exchange any pleasantries.
“It was a no-go, no conversation at all,” she said. “He just said ‘Fine’ and walked straight into his house. We thought they were just really anti-social.”
Carolyn Tijing said that the couple had erected a wall of boxes floor to ceiling inside their garage that blocked anyone’s view from the street into the two-car garage and that they always kept their cars parked in the driveway.Tijing said that she never saw anyone visit the home but that her college-aged son had seen several people stop by at late hours, between midnight and 2 a.m. Those visitors would arrive by car, stand in the driveway for a few minutes and exchange a few words with Snowden, then depart, Tijing said her son told her.
About four weeks ago, Snowden and his girlfriend apparently departed, Tijing said. The wall of boxes in the garage was gone, and a handyman arrived to clean the house. “One day they were here, the next they were gone,” Tijing said. “We never saw them leave.”
Nemo888 said:Great piece of character assassination from the NYT. "He betrayed the privacy of us all." Awesome, some real Cold War Pravda style shite here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/opinion/brooks-the-solitary-leaker.html?_r=3&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1370928863-7CjsK6WA3P24nw625tvv3w&
George Wallace said:You aren't getting a little paranoid are you? Will we see a rush on aluminum products soon?
Nemo888 said:Things changed. I will go out on a limb here and say this intelligence was always collected by every single NATO nation since before most of us were even born. It was used to catch bad guys, terrorist douche bags almost exclusively. I never had a problem with that. Currently Vic Toews has been trying to get that info available to conventional law enforcement which I am totally against.
It appears a lot of int work is contracted out in the U.S.Crantor said:My problem is how a contractor can get that level of access for that kind of stuff.
It was always used successfully to catch terrorists within our borders. The changes proposed are for what it can be used for and who can get full access. If CSIS/CSE says check this guy out wink wink that's cool. If conventional police are simply trolling for data that is a big problem. The information will probably always be collected. I don't want civvie law enforcement to have free access or the courts to be able to use this illegally obtained information as evidence. This can turn all Stasi very quickly. It's everything wrong with the Gun Registry on steroids.GnyHwy said:When the terrorists were operating mostly outside our borders then I agree that conventional law enforcement didn't need to know.
With thelikelyhoodcertainty that terrorists operate within our borders, who do you expect him to get the info too? Who is the proper authority? And when is it too late for the appropriate authority to get the information?
For the record, I consider RCMP and FBI conventional law enforcement and if large municipalities have specialty units, I consider them conventional too.
Nemo888 said:It was always used successfully to catch terrorists within our borders. The changes proposed are for what it can be used for and who can get full access. If CSIS/CSE says check this guy out wink wink that's cool. If conventional police are simply trolling for data that is a big problem. The information will probably always be collected. I don't want civvie law enforcement to have free access or the courts to be able to use this illegally obtained information as evidence. This can turn all Stasi very quickly. It's everything wrong with the Gun Registry on steroids.
milnews.ca said:It appears a lot of int work is contracted out in the U.S.