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North Korea (Superthread)

So what role would Canada play in any North Korean conflict?

Does anyone think we send troops into harms way or do we sit that one out?
 
Altair said:
So what role would Canada play in any North Korean conflict?

Does anyone think we send troops into harms way or do we sit that one out?

I cant see there being any appetite, political or public, for Canada to play a roll in a possible NK conflict.

It would be political suicide by the sitting government.
 
Halifax Tar said:
I cant see there being any appetite, political or public, for Canada to play a roll in a possible NK conflict.

It would be political suicide by the sitting government.
Not even if the UN comes calling?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/korea-canada-war-1.4080214

Should the tense standoff on the Korean Peninsula escalate into war, the United Nations could come calling on Canada for a military commitment.

If the shooting starts, the United States-South Korea Combined Forces Command would take the lead in the initial stage of fighting, but policy documents prepared for former defence minister Peter MacKay in 2010 say reinforcements could be assembled using the existing, decades-old UN framework.

"The UNC structure would be used as a means of force-generating, and receiving and tasking any contributions that UNC sending states may choose to contribute in the event of a crisis," said the document, originally obtained and published by The Canadian Press.

The Department of National Defence confirmed on Friday that Canada remains part of the organization because it was one of the original 17 countries that took part in the fighting.

Canada and Trudeau like the UN.
 
Journeyman said:
Would that be a Freudian typo?  ;)
:rofl:

The "P" actually appears in the statement, but it didn't pick up on the highlight/copy/paste.
 
Latest from U.S. SecState speaking @ U.N. -- highlights mine ...
Thank you, Secretary General, for that most helpful briefing. I shall now make a statement in my capacity as Secretary of State of the United States, and I thank you for the opportunity to address the Security Council.

According to UN Security Council Resolution 2321, a stated objective of this council is North Korea’s abandonment of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs.

For the past 20 years, well-intentioned diplomatic efforts to halt these programs have failed. It is only by first dismantling them that there can be peace, stability, and economic prosperity for all of Northeast Asia.

With each successive detonation and missile test, North Korea pushes Northeast Asia and the world closer to instability and broader conflict.

The threat of a North Korean nuclear attack on Seoul, or Tokyo, is real.

And it is likely only a matter of time before North Korea develops the capability to strike the U.S. mainland.

Indeed, the D.P.R.K. has repeatedly claimed it plans to conduct such a strike. Given that rhetoric, the United States cannot idly stand by. Nor can other members of this council who are within striking distance of North Korean missiles.

Having for years displayed a pattern of behavior that defies multiple UN Security Council resolutions, including 2321 and 2270, and erodes global progress on nuclear nonproliferation, there is no reason to think that North Korea will change its behavior under the current multilateral sanctions framework.

For too long, the international community has been reactive in addressing North Korea. Those days must come to an end.

Failing to act now on the most pressing security issue in the world may bring catastrophic consequences.

We have said this before and it bears repeating: the policy of strategic patience is over. Additional patience will only mean acceptance of a nuclear North Korea.

The more we bide our time, the sooner we will run out of it.

In light of the growing threat, the time has come for all of us to put new pressure on North Korea to abandon its dangerous path.

I urge this council to act before North Korea does.

We must work together to adopt a new approach and impose increased diplomatic and economic pressures on the North Korean regime.

The new campaign the United States is embarking on is driven by our own national security considerations, and it is welcomed by many nations who are concerned for their own security and question why North Korea clings to nuclear capabilities for which it has no need.

Our goal is not regime change. Nor do we desire to threaten the North Korean people or destabilize the Asia Pacific region. Over the years, we have withdrawn our own nuclear weapons from South Korea and offered aid to North Korea as proof of our intent to de-escalate the situation and normalize relations. Since 1995, the United States has provided over $1.3 billion dollars in aid to North Korea, and we look forward to resuming our contributions once the D.P.R.K. begins to dismantle its nuclear weapons and missile technology programs.

The D.P.R.K., for its own sake, must dismantle its nuclear and missile programs if it wants to achieve the security, economic development, and international recognition that it seeks. North Korea must understand that respect will never follow recklessness. North Korea must take concrete steps to reduce the threat that its illegal weapons programs pose to the United States and our allies before we can even consider talks.

I propose all nations take these three actions beginning today:

First, we call on UN member-states to fully implement the commitments they have made regarding North Korea. This includes all measures required in Resolutions 2321 and 2270.

Those nations which have not fully enforced these resolutions fully discredit this body.

Second, we call on countries to suspend or downgrade diplomatic relations with North Korea. North Korea exploits its diplomatic privileges to fund its illicit nuclear and missile technology programs, and constraining its diplomatic activity will cut off a flow of needed resources. In light of North Korea’s recent actions, normal relations with the D.P.R.K. are simply not acceptable.

Third, we must increase North Korea’s financial isolation. We must levy new sanctions on D.P.R.K. entities and individuals supporting its weapons and missile programs, and tighten those that are already in place. The United States also would much prefer countries and people in question to own up to their lapses and correct their behavior themselves, but we will not hesitate to sanction third-country entities and individuals supporting the D.P.R.K.’s illegal activities.

We must bring maximum economic pressure by severing trade relationships that directly fund the D.P.R.K.’s nuclear and missile program. I call on the international community to suspend the flow of North Korean guest workers and to impose bans on North Korean imports, especially coal.

We must all do our share, but China accounting for 90 percent of North Korean trade, China alone has economic leverage over Pyongyang that is unique, and its role is therefore particularly important. The U.S. and China have held very productive exchanges on this issue, and we look forward to further actions that build on what China has already done.

Lastly, as we have said before, all options for responding to future provocation must remain on the table. Diplomatic and financial levers of power will be backed up by a willingness to counteract North Korean aggression with military action if necessary. We much prefer a negotiated solution to this problem. But we are committed to defending ourselves and our allies against North Korean aggression.

This new pressure campaign will be swiftly implemented and painful to North Korean interest.

I realize some nations for which a relationship with North Korea has been in some ways a net positive may be disinclined to implement the measures of pressure on North Korea.

But the catastrophic effects of a North Korean nuclear strike outweigh any economic benefits. We must be willing to face the hard truths and make hard choices right now to prevent disastrous outcomes in the future.

Business as usual is not an option.

There is also a moral dimension to this problem. Countries must know by now that helping the North Korean regime means enabling cruelty and suffering.

North Korea feeds billions of dollars into a nuclear program it does not need while its own people starve.

The regime’s pursuit of nuclear weapons does not serve its own national security or the well-being of a people trapped in tyranny.

I ask the community of nations to help us preserve security and protect human dignity.

In one of my first trips as America’s Secretary of State, I looked across the DMZ at the haunted land of North Korea. Beyond the border is a nation of sorrow, frozen in time. While the world sees the gleaming buildings of Pyongyang, the blight of oppression and starvation has swept this land for over 60 years.

But even though the present condition of that country is bleak, the United States believes in a future for North Korea. These first steps toward a more hopeful future will happen most quickly if other stakeholders in this – in the region and the global security join us.

For years, North Korea has been dictating the terms of its dangerous course of action.

It is time for us to retake control of the situation.

We ask the members of this council and all other partners to implement a new strategy to denuclearize North Korea.

Thank you.

I resume my function now as president of the council. I now give the floor to His Excellency, Mr. Fumio Kishida, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Japan.
 
Another failed missile launch today,it broke up after flying 25 miles splahing down in the sea. We can all sleep secure awhile longer. ;)
 
tomahawk6 said:
Another failed missile launch today,it broke up after flying 25 miles splahing down in the sea. We can all sleep secure awhile longer. ;)
I wonder if anyone will be tied to the next launch platform as an encouragement for the others to not fail next time.
 
jollyjacktar said:
I wonder if anyone will be tied to the next launch platform as an encouragement for the others to not fail next time.
#PRKC&P
 
tomahawk6 said:
Another failed missile launch today,it broke up after flying 25 miles splahing down in the sea. We can all sleep secure awhile longer. ;)

It kind of makes one think of this:


http://www.theonion.com/article/north-korea-successfully-detonates-nuclear-scienti-55783
 
Altair said:
Not even if the UN comes calling?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/korea-canada-war-1.4080214

Canada and Trudeau like the UN.

But that wouldn't be Africa or safe. The current government is super risk adverse, that's why we haven't committed to a mission yet.
 
PuckChaser said:
But that wouldn't be Africa or safe. The current government is super risk adverse, that's why we haven't committed to a mission yet.

I am sure the Architect is working on a Blackadder worthy cunning plan...  meanwhile, I'm off to find a pair of pencils and clean underwear for my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DCExerOsA
 
PuckChaser said:
But that wouldn't be Africa or safe. The current government is super risk adverse, that's why we haven't committed to a mission yet.
But I was under the impression that the current government would do anything to get that security council seat.
 
Altair said:
But I was under the impression that the current government would do anything to get that security council seat.

not if it got Trump pissed at Wonder Boy.....must'nt tick him off.... ::)
 
Altair said:
But I was under the impression that the current government would do anything to get that security council seat.
They'd get a seat, but lose an election as soon as troops start coming home in bodybags on a vanity mission. They have a little bit of a clue on self preservation, they can't blame anyone else for the mission except themselves.
 
Interesting stuff from China's Communist Party paper, shared under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) - highlights mine ...
China urges halt to THAAD deployment

Experts suggest cautious countermeasures to safeguard interests

China on Tuesday reaffirmed its opposition to the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) anti-missile system in South Korea, urging relevant parties to immediately stop the deployment.

"China holds a clear and firm position on the issue of THAAD, and we call on the relevant sides to immediately stop the deployment," Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said at a daily press briefing on Tuesday.

"We will also firmly take necessary measures to defend our own interests," said Geng.

Geng made the remarks after US Forces Korea (USFK) said Tuesday that the anti-missile system, which was deployed last week in southeast South Korea, is "operational."

The installed THAAD system has the ability to "intercept missiles" from North Korea and "defend South Korea," according to USFK spokesperson Rob Manning, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

The installed system includes two mobile launchers, an AN/TPY-2 radar and other equipment. A THAAD battery is composed of six mobile launchers, 48 interceptors, the radar and the fire and control unit, Xinhua reported.

Regional countries have strongly opposed THAAD's deployment, including China and Russia, as it breaks the regional strategic balance.

"The deployment of THAAD poses a substantial threat to China, as the system enables South Korea and its ally to monitor China's military and economic projects in North, Northeast and East China," Yang Chengjun, a senior military strategist of missile studies from the PLA Rocket Force, told the Global Times.

Aside for diplomatic channels, Yang also suggested military countermeasures to safeguard China's national security.

China could send more troops armed with advanced weapons to the northeast region, enhance air and naval forces in the region, as well as conduct regular anti-THAAD drills, Yang said.

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesperson Yang Yujun said Thursday that China will continue real combat-oriented military training and drills to safeguard national security.


Meanwhile, the country can disclose more information about the deployment of some advanced weapons, such as the DF-41 strategic missile, according to Yang.

However, Jin Qiangyi, director of the Asia Studies Center at Yanbian University, warned that countermeasures against the THAAD must be done cautiously.

Compared with the US-Japan alliance, US-South Korea ties are weak, and China should avoid a breakdown in Sino-South Korean relations resulting from the countermeasures, which would only benefit the US and North Korea, Jin told the Global Times.

The earlier-than-expected deployment has also triggered protests in South Korea, Xinhua reported.
 
The Art of The Deal. You get rid of the nut, the nucs, we remove THAAD.

The US has stated their aim is not regime change or reunification of Korea.
 
What China really is focused on is the THAAD radar which can scan deep into the PRC.The PRC has installed anti-ship missiles on their new islands which could threaten shipping.THAAD only is a threat to missiles launched gainst the ROK and Japan. The wild card is the new ROK President who I suspect might be soft on defense and could ask for the removal of THAAD.
 
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