New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[a_majoor]

Now, about your delivery times  >

40 or 50 years

I'm pretty sure your answer is right there...

 

[Haletown]

Speaking of new  . . . some ship porn


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9051694/HMS-Dauntless-a-guide-to-the-Royal-Navys-most-powerful-warship.html

 

[jim7966]

There was (maybe still is) a video tour of HMS Dauntless on the RN website.

The crew (even the junior rates) get cabins. 4-6 per cabin.

If I had a cabin instead of a mess deck with 40 other hairy apes with nothing but a buggery box between you and your neighbour I might still be in.

 

[ekpiper]

Speaking of new  . . . some ship porn


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9051694/HMS-Dauntless-a-guide-to-the-Royal-Navys-most-powerful-warship.html

I was fortunate enough to see Dauntless just before she was commissioned while in Portsmouth on vacation.  Absolutely breathtaking ship.  She looks extremely impressive, and hugely more modern than the Ticonderoga near her at the time.  My camera didn't stop .

 

[jollyjacktar]

Yes, they are beautiful.  We had a visitor along the same lines a couple of years ago.  She looked so sleek and modern when set against our fleet.  Maybe when they do come up with a new design for the next generation they'll look and be just as good.

 

[Pat in Halifax]

Yes, they are beautiful.  We had a visitor along the same lines a couple of years ago.  She looked so sleek and modern when set against our fleet.  Maybe when they do come up with a new design for the next generation they'll look and be just as good.

I am not at liberty to provide more but start at: http://maritime.mil.ca/english/dgmfd/dmrs/Sections/dmrs_07/intro.asp (Note, this is DIN-DND intrAnet). There are some images floating around from a preliminary concept design fropm last fall.

 

[jollyjacktar]

I am not at liberty to provide more but start at: http://maritime.mil.ca/english/dgmfd/dmrs/Sections/dmrs_07/intro.asp (Note, this is DIN-DND intrAnet). There are some images floating around from a preliminary concept design fropm last fall.

I had seen some conceptual-ish pictures before.  They do seem however to change their minds and directions as the wind blows, which is why I say that maybe by the time they make up their minds we might have something more modern in looks etc.  My time is growing short and I personally will never set foot on any of these future craft AOPS, AOR, CSC etc.  As I said in other threads, I heard promises of new AORs in 99/00 and 12 years later we are no further ahead. 

 

[RC]

As I said in other threads, I heard promises of new AORs in 99/00 and 12 years later we are no further ahead.

My understanding is that there will be a race between the JSS and the Polar icebreaker to see which will be slotted for build first.  If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the icebreaker.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

My understanding of the apportionment of work under the Strategy was that the "combat" vessels went to Irving in Halifax and the "non-combat" ones would be built in Vancouver. Is that not still so?

If so, then the "Diefenbaker" (God! That sounds like a RCMP wolf-dog ) would be built in Van and the AOPS in Hal, so why would it be a race between the two?

Fishing for info here.

And by-the-way, as regards ship porn: The issue is not how good they look, but how well they are armed. One of the best looking ship out there are the French La Fayette class Frigates but they are lightly armed and slow as combatants go. In the same vein, while better looking than a Tico or an Arleigh Burke, the Dauntless' don't even carry half as many missiles. I'll take an extra 48-64 Standard Missiles over good looks any time.

On the other hand - I think we are at the point where the Dantless' living standards are getting to be a must for retention of junior seaman and IMHO there is no reason for not delivering on that in the next class, especially considering the crew size reduction and corresponding increased technical knowledge requirements that will arise from greater automation

 

[jollyjacktar]

Because the West is mostly ready to go, whereas ISI need to do prep work to be ready to cut steel.

 

[RC]

My understanding of the apportionment of work under the Strategy was that the "combat" vessels went to Irving in Halifax and the "non-combat" ones would be built in Vancouver. Is that not still so?

If so, then the "Diefenbaker" (God! That sounds like a RCMP wolf-dog ) would be built in Van and the AOPS in Hal, so why would it be a race between the two?

Fishing for info here.

JSS and the Polar will both be built in Vancouver.  Irving will build the AOPS first and then the CSC.  Seaspan will build OOSV, OFSV, and then either JSS or Polar, whichever is ready first (unless there is a political decision to delay one to favour the other).  There will probably be some tough decisions to be made since both the Navy and CCG are itching for their big ships, however, I have my doubts that JSS will have a design before Polar does.  The process that has taken 6 to 7 years and is still not complete for JSS will be 6 to 7 months on Polar in my estimation.

 

[jollyjacktar]

JSS and the Polar will both be built in Vancouver.  Irving will build the AOPS first and then the CSC.  Seaspan will build OOSV, OFSV, and then either JSS or Polar, whichever is ready first (unless there is a political decision to delay one to favour the other).  There will probably be some tough decisions to be made since both the Navy and CCG are itching for their big ships, however, I have my doubts that JSS will have a design before Polar does.  The process that has taken 6 to 7 years and is still not complete for JSS will be 6 to 7 months on Polar in my estimation.

My mistake.  When I think "polar" I forget about the CCG, I automatically thought of AOPS.  As for the JSS final plans, they do seem to keep changing direction with the breeze.  I almost wonder if they ever will make up their minds.  I was shown plans for it's predecessor the ALSC in 99/00.  :not-again:

 

[chrisf]

If it makes you feel any better, the Polar 8 started in 1985 and was cancelled in 1990...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_8_Project

 

[RC]

If it makes you feel any better, the Polar 8 started in 1985 and was cancelled in 1990...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_8_Project

And now, 22 years later, they are officially back in the race:

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/npress-communique/2012/hq-ac05-eng.htm

 

[cupper]

If so, then the "Diefenbaker" (God! That sounds like a RCMP wolf-dog )

Just as long as they aren't deaf. ;D

I was always impressed with the German vessels when ever STANAVFORLANT made port visits to Halifax. They had a way of cramming as much weaponry into as small a ship as possible. Must be hellish for the crews, lacking in the comfort department.

 

[ekpiper]

My understanding of the apportionment of work under the Strategy was that the "combat" vessels went to Irving in Halifax and the "non-combat" ones would be built in Vancouver. Is that not still so?

If so, then the "Diefenbaker" (God! That sounds like a RCMP wolf-dog ) would be built in Van and the AOPS in Hal, so why would it be a race between the two?

Fishing for info here.

And by-the-way, as regards ship porn: The issue is not how good they look, but how well they are armed. One of the best looking ship out there are the French La Fayette class Frigates but they are lightly armed and slow as combatants go. In the same vein, while better looking than a Tico or an Arleigh Burke, the Dauntless' don't even carry half as many missiles. I'll take an extra 48-64 Standard Missiles over good looks any time.

On the other hand - I think we are at the point where the Dantless' living standards are getting to be a must for retention of junior seaman and IMHO there is no reason for not delivering on that in the next class, especially considering the crew size reduction and corresponding increased technical knowledge requirements that will arise from greater automation

Indeed, but when I look at women, I don't wonder how well their ovaries are working!

I don't have remotely enough knowledge to comment on specific advantages/disadvantages to their armament, but I am a firm believer, as I expect all people working with this equipment would be, of function over form.  But if it happens that a ship look good as a result of designs for stealth and other requirements, I won't complain.  From my understanding, a Tico is much more versatile in which missiles and how many it holds.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Just as long as they aren't deaf. ;D

I was always impressed with the German vessels when ever STANAVFORLANT made port visits to Halifax. They had a way of cramming as much weaponry into as small a ship as possible. Must be hellish for the crews, lacking in the comfort department.

The German ships don't lack for crew comforts....trust me.

 

[Haletown]

updates . . .

Navantia off JSS list
FrontLine has learned that Spanish shipbuilder Navantia is out of the running for Canadian Navy's Joint Support Ships, leaving a choice between the German Berlin-class and a home-grown Canadian design. Whatever the choice, two and possibly three Joint Support Ships will be built at the Seaspan shipyards in Vancouver under a contract estimated at about $3 billion.

http://www.frontline-canada.com/Defence/

 

[The Bread Guy]

updates . . .

Navantia off JSS list
FrontLine has learned that Spanish shipbuilder Navantia is out of the running for Canadian Navy's Joint Support Ships, leaving a choice between the German Berlin-class and a home-grown Canadian design. Whatever the choice, two and possibly three Joint Support Ships will be built at the Seaspan shipyards in Vancouver under a contract estimated at about $3 billion.

http://www.frontline-canada.com/Defence/

Also....

ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) a leading European systems house providing submarines and naval surface ships and Canada's procurement agency, PWGSC, have signed a contract in Hamburg for a multiphase design study for the Canadian Navy's next generation Joint Support Ship (JSS).

As part of a major fleet renewal program, Canada plans to replace its two Auxiliary Oil Replenishment (AOR) vessels with two or three Joint Support Ships. One possible design for the new JSS is a version of the German Navy's latest Berlin Class Task Group Supply Vessel (EGV) specifically modified to meet Canadian requirements. The agreement between PWGSC and TKMSC includes the provisions for a licensing agreement for the use of the EGV design for the construction in and deployment of the ships by Canada should the EGV design be selected.

The modified design, to be developed by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems Canada (TKMSC) in close cooperation with Blohm + Voss Naval (BVN), a strongly positioned professional naval systems engineering house, will be considered alongside an in-house design, being developed by the Department of National Defence (DND), the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN), and BMT Fleet Technology in Canada.

Should the TKMS modified Berlin Class EGV design be chosen, the award of a contract for the functional design is planned, which would be used for the construction of the ships by a Canadian shipyard.

naval-technology.com, 8 Feb 12

 

[AlexanderM]

Are there any early concepts of what the new Frigates and Destroyers might look like??  I don't have time to go through the entire thread so please forgive me if it's already there.