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New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

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One ship and one ship only. The others will be "harbor training devices".
The CPF highlander memes on reddit will at least be sweet.

There was a COA to have an actual training fleet, with some select CPFs knocked only maintained to SOLAS and doing short trips to get people all the basic experience that you need to be at sea. That's the kind of stuff you need to generate some of the critical trades like MarTechs and get a lot of sailors through their NETP.

Ops room folks can do a huge amount of things alongside in the trainers, as you can duplicate all the external inputs and have dynamic enough scenarios with enough training staff. At one point they were seriously talking about training BWKs all in the trainer, and that's something where you would think actually seeing waves, weather and how the ship reacts in real life is critical for.
 
At one point they were seriously talking about training BWKs all in the trainer, and that's something where you would think actually seeing waves, weather and how the ship reacts in real life is critical for.
The CAF, and many other institutions, look at technology as a magic wand to make all of the real world problems go away. Simulators are good, but nothing beats riding the rollercoaster for a few days to really understand how a ship feels.
 
The CPF highlander memes on reddit will at least be sweet.

There was a COA to have an actual training fleet, with some select CPFs knocked only maintained to SOLAS and doing short trips to get people all the basic experience that you need to be at sea. That's the kind of stuff you need to generate some of the critical trades like MarTechs and get a lot of sailors through their NETP.

Ops room folks can do a huge amount of things alongside in the trainers, as you can duplicate all the external inputs and have dynamic enough scenarios with enough training staff. At one point they were seriously talking about training BWKs all in the trainer, and that's something where you would think actually seeing waves, weather and how the ship reacts in real life is critical for.
"Only maintained to SOLAS" would be an upgrade...
 
The CAF, and many other institutions, look at technology as a magic wand to make all of the real world problems go away. Simulators are good, but nothing beats riding the rollercoaster for a few days to really understand how a ship feels.
For sure, which is why training fleet doing a lot of low tempo sailing focusing on the basics makes sense. Also lots of fun port visits within a week or two to help a boat full of junior people on OJT to build some early and positive port visit memories so not a bad thing for retention etc.

That option was on the table until the GoC bumped up the RCN commitments (I think 2 weeks after the Reconstitution directive lol) and they needed all CPFs deployable (plus MCDVs and AOPs doing combatant things). So instead of a sustainable plan we'll just run the fleet in the ground until there can be only one.

Hopefully no one gets hurt along the way from ships deploying while being below normal marine standards for a cargo ship and the stars lining up the wrong way.
 
"Only maintained to SOLAS" would be an upgrade...
Yeah, that was the plan with Naval Material Assurance and using the Naval Ship Code and Class societies to improve vessel safety. The RCN laughed in deviations and waivers, and accepted the risk before anyone even said what it was. It's wild.

Being in an out of trade job out of Navy lines is a nice break.
 
For sure, which is why training fleet doing a lot of low tempo sailing focusing on the basics makes sense. Also lots of fun port visits within a week or two to help a boat full of junior people on OJT to build some early and positive port visit memories so not a bad thing for retention etc.
I'm sure part of the issue was also the barber pole folks being upset that they would be the training fleet this time...
 

Canadian Frigate Destroys Target in Joint U.S.-Navy Littoral Missile Shoot​




Interesting piece about Regina firing successfully at Harpoon II missile but also the part I've snipped out below about crewing numbers -

Regina’s crew averages 167 but nearly maxed out its berthing with 236 for the missile exercise. The crew routinely trains for missions involving humanitarian aid, disaster relief and search and rescue, said Chief Petty Officer First Class Timothy King, the senior enlisted sailor and equivalent to a command master chief.

Seems that the CPF are out there with alot less crew members than the 215-225 that they are typically allocated. That's less than 3X the crew on an AOPS.

Also, the bit below about ASW work.

“Harpoon, we don’t fire often,” King said. “We’re more of a support role and a first-line defense against submarines… That’s the bread and butter.”

Lt. Cmdr. George “Scott” Dyson, Regina executive officer, said the frigate is optimized for anti-submarine warfare.

“If you add us to an American task group, you get a ship that’s not so super awesome at shooting down aircraft,” Dyson said, “but we’re good at hunting and fighting submarines.”

King noted that Canadian patrol frigates routinely are invited to the Navy submarine commander’s course in Hawaii to give submarine commanders practice evading detection.

“We’re a more frustrating opponent. I mean, they still kill us all the time,” said Dyson. Los Angeles or Virginia-class U.S. submarines they encounter during training are “formidable opponents. They make us put the ship through the full envelope of its capabilities.”

Maybe we should keep the sensors and main gun after retirement and transfer them to the Kingston replacement. The Finnish corvette sounds like an excellent design.
 
IMG_2443.png Further reading in that USNI article has Dave Mazur ruminating about sending AOPS to the Indo Pacific region…
 
Sending a non-helo capable icebreaker, that has no sensors to the Indo Pacific reeks of quiet desparation. Hopefully they would tell us 'no thanks'
Depends on what capabilities are added for the sail. Not all ops require every ship to be a warship.
 
Depends on what capabilities are added for the sail. Not all ops require every ship to be a warship.
Sure, but if China decided to show a presence off the coast of North America with a non-combatant, we'd probably be laughing at them. Sending a icebreaker to do ops in a pretty hot area of the planet to show the flag would send a worse message politically than not sending anything, and they could frankly be doing something more useful close to home.

Would be a cool sail for the crew though.
 
Sure, but if China decided to show a presence off the coast of North America with a non-combatant, we'd probably be laughing at them. Sending a icebreaker to do ops in a pretty hot area of the planet to show the flag would send a worse message politically than not sending anything, and they could frankly be doing something more useful close to home.

Would be a cool sail for the crew though.
don't they already? Their fishing fleet and factory ships are everywhere.
 
don't they already? Their fishing fleet and factory ships are everywhere.

"fishing fleet" "factory ships"

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