LPC leadership race - 2025

[rmc_wannabe]

I don't give a fuck if they had to make payroll or ran a successful lemonade stand: Can they govern?

I ask that in every sense of the word; do they know how our system of governance works, the Charter, the division of powers within the BNA, what their responsibilities are domestically and internationally, how their power is shaped within a constitutional monarchy, how to be a strong leader who can show humility and shift policy to address national concerns or interest.

We tried the "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it fucked us over in multiple avenues. We're seeing down south how dangerous it is to have business folks take the reigns and run government like a hostile takeover.

I personally want to see someone lead Canada who knows what the fuck that actually means and what the impacts are if they screw it up.

In both cases, Carney and Poilievre need to work harder to convince me on that last point.

 

[CBH99]

I don't give a fuck if they had to make payroll or ran a successful lemonade stand: Can they govern?

I ask that in every sense of the word; do they know how our system of governance works, the Charter, the division of powers within the BNA, what their responsibilities are domestically and internationally, how their power is shaped within a constitutional monarchy, how to be a strong leader who can show humility and shift policy to address national concerns or interest.

We tried the "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it fucked us over in multiple avenues. We're seeing down south how dangerous it is to have business folks take the reigns and run government like a hostile takeover.

I personally want to see someone lead Canada who knows what the fuck that actually means and what the impacts are if they screw it up.

In both cases, Carney and Poilievre need to work harder to convince me on that last point.

Solid post. Totally agreed (mostly)

A question for you...if we've tried "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it's fucked us over in multiple avenues, shouldn't that lend one to prefer Poilievre over Carney?

(One of his biggest criticisms is that he's a career politician)

 

[CBH99]

I will admit that I do like seeing CPC riding higher than the others HOWEVER I have my doubts about this poll. I can not see the PPC actually reaching 3%.

I am alarmed at seeing the NDP go further down. Its not about rejoicing in seeing them fail, I am disturbed. Jagmeet appears to have neutered the NDP. He could have created a legit third option for Canadians and screwed that up. I still insist my opinion was insightful that Jagmeet should have brought down the LPC in the fall. They would have eaten up the LPC position and been 2nd or 3rd place party in the HoC.

I don't accept the BS arguments that he fought for X benefits and avoiding a CPC super-majority (gasp the horror!). They still could have formed opposition and set themselves up in the next decade for possibly forming the government.

I think you are 100% right. They could have set themselves up as a legitimate 3rd option for Canadians, and set themselves up to be the official opposition - with a little bit of foresight they could have maneuvered the party into a much better position than they are in now

That would have required a party leader who a) wasn't selfishly focused on qualifying for his pension, and b) hadn't sold his party out for a few little biscuits from the LPC

 

[Halifax Tar]

Solid post. Totally agreed (mostly)

A question for you...if we've tried "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it's fucked us over in multiple avenues, shouldn't that lend one to prefer Poilievre over Carney?

(One of his biggest criticisms is that he's a career politician)

I mean taking the emotional response, some have, towards PP out of it. After all his time in parliament he defiantly has a strong resume towards knowing the ins and outs of our system which @rmc_wannabe alludes to being needed to govern, and which I agree with.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney's campaign admits to muddled messaging on pipelines, spending cuts

That's funny. Looks like the "innocent mistakes" &"we'll do better" has already started.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's funny. Looks like the "innocent mistakes" &"we'll do better" has already started.

Lol that should be their campaign slogan. We'll be better this time, we promise.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That wq

Lol that should be their campaign slogan. We'll be better this time this time this time we promise.

I believe it!

 

[suffolkowner]

. I have known all kinds of smart guys who couldn't lead anything.

are we looking for a leader or a manager? The difference?

We tried the "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it fucked us over in multiple avenues.

to what does this refer?

 

[Halifax Tar]

to what does this refer?

I would assume JT.

 

[mariomike]

I just find concepts of hate, despise or referring to any sport as a cancer on our land as somewhere curiously extreme.

Hate the corruption, not the game.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

A question for you...if we've tried "not a career politician" gimmick for almost 10 years and it's fucked us over in multiple avenues, shouldn't that lend one to prefer Poilievre over Carney?

(One of his biggest criticisms is that he's a career politician)

I think a lot of the spin is based on Canadians being told the PM is in charge of running the Government's chequebook: They aren't, it's the Minister of Finance. A career politician knows this. They also know this one hard truth:

Not every political decision makes fiscal sense, and nor every fiscal decision will be popular politically. The leader of the country has to balance both ideas consecutively and its not merely a matter of "look at my balanced books everybody!"

Trudeau didn't understand this and failed to do what was need fiscally in favour of what was politically expedient. My worry with Carney is that he only knows what to do fiscally and doesn't have the leadership or experience in the political arena to do what's politcally needed at the risk of managing numbers.

After all his time in parliament he defiantly has a strong resume towards knowing the ins and outs of our system which @rmc_wannabe alludes to being needed to govern, and which I agree with.

He has the resume, however, he has spent a large bulk of those years in Opposition as bulldog. That has it's time and place. Its only been a few months where we have seen his plan for "how I would do things" and it looks to be a lot of the same behaviours: "My plan is to not do at all.what those pecker heads did for 9 years, with their wokeness and carbon tax...." Now that the lead is narrowing, it can definitely shoot him in the foot if the CPC are in Minority.

Its also paints PP into a corner with his base, because if he needs LPC support to move things along, he looks like he's betraying his principles.

Like I said, I am not fond of either Carney or PP, but I see PP as a better potential PM, if he gets out of this mean, muckraker mentality (and his apparent aptitude for alliteration).

are we looking for a leader or a manager? The difference?

We need a leader. One capable of seeing other points of view, making tough decisions, and isn't married to their platform or policy in the face of new realities.

to what does this refer?

Trudeau very much rode the "I'm not a career politician" train in 2015 as a counter to the "Just Not Ready" campaign the CPC ran.

After 10ish years... it is now critical to me that someone vying for the top job in government has at least mailroom understanding of politics and governance.

 

[suffolkowner]

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[suffolkowner]

I think a lot of the spin is based on Canadians being told the PM is in charge of running the Government's chequebook: They aren't, it's the Minister of Finance. A career politician knows this. They also know this one hard truth:

Not every political decision makes fiscal sense, and nor every fiscal decision will be popular politically. The leader of the country has to balance both ideas consecutively and its not merely a matter of "look at my balanced books everybody!"

Trudeau didn't understand this and failed to do what was need fiscally in favour of what was politically expedient. My worry with Carney is that he only knows what to do fiscally and doesn't have the leadership or experience in the political arena to do what's politcally needed at the risk of managing numbers.

He has the resume, however, he has spent a large bulk of those years in Opposition as bulldog. That has it's time and place. Its only been a few months where we have seen his plan for "how I would do things" and it looks to be a lot of the same behaviours: "My plan is to not do at all.what those pecker heads did for 9 years, with their wokeness and carbon tax...." Now that the lead is narrowing, it can definitely shoot him in the foot if the CPC are in Minority.

Its also paints PP into a corner with his base, because if he needs LPC support to move things along, he looks like he's betraying his principles.

Like I said, I am not fond of either Carney or PP, but I see PP as a better potential PM, if he gets out of this mean, muckraker mentality (and his apparent aptitude for alliteration).


We need a leader. One capable of seeing other points of view, making tough decisions, and isn't married to their platform or policy in the face of new realities.


Trudeau very much rode the "I'm not a career politician" train in 2015 as a counter to the "Just Not Ready" campaign the CPC ran.

After 10ish years... it is now critical to me that someone vying for the top job in government has at least mailroom understanding of politics and governance.

This doesnt make sense to me.

Trudeau very much was a career politician, whether he admits it or not is not relevant.
So and if anyone should have had and understanding it would be him

The Finance minister does what they are told to do

Political management of caucus doesnt seem to be much of an issue anymore. MPs do what they are told to do

Im not sure how much anyone knows. Witness PP's suggestion about firing the Governor of the BofC. His plan for Polar Icebreakers for the RCN. Chrystia Freelands talk about UOR's

 

[Remius]

After 10ish years... it is now critical to me that someone vying for the top job in government has at least mailroom understanding of politics and governance.

Politics and governance are separate things though.

PP has mastered politics. He lives and breaths it. Every decision he makes and even everything he speaks it is political.

Governance though seems lacking. He wants to fire the governor of the bank of Canada. He either then has no idea how the BoC works or it’s political. Neither is good.

He said crypto was a way to insulate yourself from inflation. So he either has no financial acumen or it’s political. Neither is good.

He said he would defund the CBC but not the French side. Again, it shows he either has no idea how the cbc is funded or it’s political.

Being a career politician means quite likely running the risk you will revert to a political mindset and not a good governance one.

I will note though that he isn’t saying Canada is broken anymore…interesting.

 

[FSTO]

I will note though that he isn’t saying Canada is broken anymore…interesting.

Canada isn’t broken. Canada got “Comfortable” which is even worse.

Comfortable

We got all soft and comfy?

open.substack.com

 

[CBH99]

One would think women would vote for an empowered, strong woman with a proven political performance.

It would be surprising if women en masse voted for a wealthy grey-haired man who wears $2000 casual shoes/sneakers.

The differences between Freeland and Carney are minimal outside of outer appearance.

Carney is Godfather to her children, they both sit on WEF boards, and their track record as good stewards of large economies is abysmal.

...

I don't know what part of Freeland qualifies as an 'empowered, strong woman with proven political performance' ...

- The Americans really didn't like her during the renegotiation of NAFTA to USMCA...

- She's more than doubled the national debt (we are currently well on our way to tripling our national debt since the LPC took power)

(The interest we paid on our national debt last year was actually more than what the federal government paid out in health payments to the provinces...yikes!)

- She's spent more money in the last 6 years than was spent by all Canadian governments in the previous 156 years combined...

- she consistently runs budget deficits in the $40B to $60B range

(With her budget last year, she had to adjust the deficit from $40B to $60B within a week. How is someone off by $20 BILLION?)

- Our dollar is a 50 year all-time low...

- She also doesn't answer any questions asked by reporters or the opposition, is condescending, smirked when she froze the accounts not only of truckers but also people who donated to the movement, and...have you seen the list of things our tax dollars are funding under the guise of foreign aid?



I'm not trying to sound overly critical of you here at all. I just don't see Freeland as a strong, empowered woman with an impressive political career...

 

[Halifax Tar]

He has the resume, however, he has spent a large bulk of those years in Opposition as bulldog. That has it's time and place. Its only been a few months where we have seen his plan for "how I would do things" and it looks to be a lot of the same behaviours: "My plan is to not do at all.what those pecker heads did for 9 years, with their wokeness and carbon tax...." Now that the lead is narrowing, it can definitely shoot him in the foot if the CPC are in Minority.

Its also paints PP into a corner with his base, because if he needs LPC support to move things along, he looks like he's betraying his principles.

Like I said, I am not fond of either Carney or PP, but I see PP as a better potential PM, if he gets out of this mean, muckraker mentality (and his apparent aptitude for alliteration).

I hear ya.

Let me throw out there that if a requirement is time in a cabinet position then Gould or Freeland should be leading in the LPC leadership race.

Never leave out the possibility of a CPC own goal to lose the game. lol

 

[suffolkowner]

Governance though seems lacking. He wants to fire the governor of the bank of Canada. He either then has no idea how the BoC works or it’s political. Neither is good.

It does pose the question one that i have posted before of what to do with a rogue Governor. The Act states that the government/minister can dictate actions/policy when they are in opposition to the Governor but i do not believe it states what to do if the Governor refuses to comply

Let me throw out there that if a requirement is time in a cabinet position then Gould or Freeland should be leading in the LPC leadership race.

familiarity breeds contempt?

 

[Remius]

Liberal leadership candidate Ruby Dhalla being questioned by party days before high-stakes debate

Ahead of two Liberal leadership debates next week, candidate Ruby Dhalla is being questioned by the party.

www.ctvnews.ca

Might be another one exiting stage left…

 

[suffolkowner]

Liberal leadership candidate Ruby Dhalla being questioned by party days before high-stakes debate

Ahead of two Liberal leadership debates next week, candidate Ruby Dhalla is being questioned by the party.

www.ctvnews.ca

Might be another one exiting stage left…

shades of Patrick Brown? kick out the one you dont want?