Lawyers Allegedly Behaving Badly

[FJAG]

Here's hoping someone notes the past history of misconduct and the lack of action by the bar, and seeks damages from the bar for their inaction.

If the bar starts getting hit with damages for a failure to protect the public, pre emptive suspension may well become a thing.

Dave

Bar associations have nothing to do with discipline or supervision of layers. They are an advocacy association for lawyers.

You're confusing them with law societies who are statutorily responsible for the governance of the legal profession in their province.

You are also ignoring the fact that all lawyers need to carry insurance for the negligent performance of legal duties to their clients and that all lawyers need to pay in to a reimbursement or compensation fund managed by the law society in order to make whole individuals who have lost funds due to fraud or theft by their lawyers. All the clients, who are out of pocket, need to do is file a claim with the law society.

I'm not sure what past history of misconduct you are talking about. I've had a quick look for law society decisions or court cases involving these two and all that I see is a flurry of cases that came out of 2023 and which were the subject of their suspension early this year and their current criminal investigation and civil suits (and I presume law society claims).

In order for the law society to take action there needs to be either a complaint from a client or other lawyer or the discovery of evidence during a law society audit. That action, typically an interlocutory suspension can happen quickly or may take an investigation in less obvious cases.

 

[dapaterson]

The LSO believes someone not forthcoming about child sexual abuse should not be a lawyer.

The appeals tribunal disagrees.

Law Society tribunal rules man who sexually abused children now ‘of good character,’ can be licenced as a lawyer | Globalnews.ca

"He has established that he is currently of good character and is eligible to be licensed, subject to a condition that he not meet with minor children while unsupervised."

globalnews.ca

 

[FJAG]

The LSO believes someone not forthcoming about child sexual abuse should not be a lawyer.

The appeals tribunal disagrees.

Law Society tribunal rules man who sexually abused children now ‘of good character,’ can be licenced as a lawyer | Globalnews.ca

"He has established that he is currently of good character and is eligible to be licensed, subject to a condition that he not meet with minor children while unsupervised."

globalnews.ca

This goes back to the summer of 2023. Has there been an update on the appeal that the Law Society filed on this decision?

I'll answer that. Initially the order of the appeal tribunal was stayed pending appeal. The appeal went forward to the Ontario Superior court where the law society argued that:

The Law Society submits the Tribunal failed to consider the Law Society’s statutory duty to protect the public interest as set out in s. 4.2 of the Law Society Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. L.8 (the Act). In its submission, this statutory duty must inform the meaning of the good character requirement in the Act. In the context of this case, that would mean having regard to the rights and safety of children.

Unfortunately the court ruled that the licencing should proceed.

See:

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onscdc/doc/2024/2024onsc5971/2024onsc5971.html?resultId=a688a4bf71cd4904a899b637312d6ed0&searchId=2024-11-14T23:29:49:024/919ca320afc3404a9e231af5dcd17149&searchUrlHash=AAAAAAAAAAEAFjIwMjIgT05MU1RIIDkgKENhbkxJSSkAAAABAAsvMjAyMm9ubHN0OQE

So - law society trying to protect the public.

 

[ModlrMike]

FFS... I'd be banned for life if my college ever got that kind of complaint.

 

[dapaterson]

Cartel and Bui are the gift (grift?) that keep on giving. Thirty days for contempt. And a judge commenting on how Bui somehow was able to vacation in Portugal after having allegedly surrendered her passport. Meanwhile, the financial records of their firm and their selves have not been surrendered to the court.

If you're a lawyer in Ontario wondering why your bar fees are increasing...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/cartel-bui-lawyers-sentenced-contempt-1.7364329

Update: he accidentally was released early. So she's now serving 20 days for contempt, and will get out in time for him to go back to complete his sentence.

She also admitted to looting their trust account for shoes, purses, vacations, photographs, private schools and nannies.

And fun times: their victims are required to pay other lawyers to sue the criminal lawyers and once that proves fruitless, only then will the LSO consider making them whole.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/cartel-bui-lawyers-jailed-contempt-1.7391535

 

[FJAG]

And fun times: their victims are required to pay other lawyers to sue the criminal lawyers and once that proves fruitless, only then will the LSO consider making them whole.

Interesting. If memory serves me, in Manitoba it wasn't necessary for the client to sue, the Law Society investigated and if the claim was valid, then the reimbursement fund would pay out (can't recall if there was a limit but I don't think so at the time) and would take an assignment from the client of their rights to go after the crook lawyer. That assignment was frequently of limited value as crook lawyers generally do not have easily seized assets.

Back in the day, Manitoba had few cases of crook lawyers and they were usually fairly modest and easily covered by the reimbursement fund.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Update: he accidentally was released early. So she's now serving 20 days for contempt, and will get out in time for him to go back to complete his sentence.

She also admitted to looting their trust account for shoes, purses, vacations, photographs, private schools and nannies.

And fun times: their victims are required to pay other lawyers to sue the criminal lawyers and once that proves fruitless, only then will the LSO consider making them whole.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/cartel-bui-lawyers-jailed-contempt-1.7391535

Joker approves...

 

[dapaterson]

If the judge describes it as bedlam, and four sheriffs were needed to restore order, then yes, councillor, your suspension was justified.

'Bedlam:' Nova Scotia lawyer suspended following ugly courtroom fracas

HALIFAX - A Nova Scotia lawyer who had to be restrained by deputy sheriffs during a court appearance earlier this year has lost his appeal of a suspension following the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[Cloud Cover]

If the judge describes it as bedlam, and four sheriffs were needed to restore order, then yes, councillor, your suspension was justified.

'Bedlam:' Nova Scotia lawyer suspended following ugly courtroom fracas

HALIFAX - A Nova Scotia lawyer who had to be restrained by deputy sheriffs during a court appearance earlier this year has lost his appeal of a suspension following the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

He has more charges pending including intimidating a justice system participant (an RCMP officer) when he showed up drunk at the officers residence and physically threatened him if charges in a related matter were brought against him.
I’d say Don has lost his marbles and needs serious help. And he probably needs to move away from Kentvile.

 

[FJAG]

If the judge describes it as bedlam, and four sheriffs were needed to restore order, then yes, councillor, your suspension was justified.

'Bedlam:' Nova Scotia lawyer suspended following ugly courtroom fracas

HALIFAX - A Nova Scotia lawyer who had to be restrained by deputy sheriffs during a court appearance earlier this year has lost his appeal of a suspension following the

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[dapaterson]

Four! Four sheriffs!

 

[lenaitch]

It seems he's had several lapses of judgement.

 

[dapaterson]

Sometimes the title is sufficient, and you don't really need to read the article.

Alberta lawyer disbarred for using client credit cards to fund pornography addiction

The Law Society of Alberta has disbarred a Fort McMurray lawyer — and referred his case for potential prosecution — after he admitted to using US$10,000 from client credit cards to pay for pornography.

edmontonjournal.com

 

[brihard]

Sometimes the title is sufficient, and you don't really need to read the article.

Alberta lawyer disbarred for using client credit cards to fund pornography addiction

The Law Society of Alberta has disbarred a Fort McMurray lawyer — and referred his case for potential prosecution — after he admitted to using US$10,000 from client credit cards to pay for pornography.

edmontonjournal.com

But if you don’t read the article you don’t learn he has a wife, or read tidbits like “It noted Baig has no track record of success as a lawyer because he was impaired by porn, cocaine, and alcohol for the entirety of his legal career.”, or that his own lawyer’s last name is very unfortunately Seaman.

 

[dapaterson]

But if you don’t read the article you don’t learn he has a wife, or read tidbits like “It noted Baig has no track record of success as a lawyer because he was impaired by porn, cocaine, and alcohol for the entirety of his legal career.”, or that his own lawyer’s last name is very unfortunately Seaman.

If Porn, Cocaine and Alcohol impaired legal careers there wouldn't be SCOTUS.

 

[daftandbarmy]

But if you don’t read the article you don’t learn he has a wife, or read tidbits like “It noted Baig has no track record of success as a lawyer because he was impaired by porn, cocaine, and alcohol for the entirety of his legal career.”, or that his own lawyer’s last name is very unfortunately Seaman.

 

[Cloud Cover]

If Porn, Cocaine and Alcohol impaired legal careers there wouldn't be SCOTUS.

So many of my law school classmates have found religion after their 3rd divorce.

 

[dapaterson]

Missed this one: 77 year old retired American lawyer in Panama executes two protestors for inconveniencing him, gets 48 years in jail.

Handcuffed to a pipe: Retired lawyer, 77, behind bars after shooting dead two eco-protesters blocking a road

A retired US lawyer filmed shooting dead two eco-protestors on a Panama highway was pictured in jail handcuffed to a wall.

www.lbc.co.uk