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Iraq Unravels

Iraq was always doomed to another war, either external or civil. It was being held together by brute force and terror. Once Saddam dies, it is very likely it would start to unravel, most likely into a civil war. Looking at the history of regime change in Iraq, looting is a feature not a bug. Had the US not invaded, then the US would have eventually withdrawn most of it's military from the region, at which point Saddam would boot the UN inspectors out. France, Russia and China were all vying for access to Iraq's oil fields, all of whom were owed billions for war material, so expect a surge in revenue going into his coffers. Saddam would need to rearm quickly, the fastest way would have been chemical weapons, followed by a restart of his nuclear program, likley enlisting help from Pakistan's Khan and North Korea. The Revolutionary Guard would rearm first, followed by security services and finally the army. By now assuming he is still alive, he would be announcing some form of nuclear capability or intent to do so. It's also likley he would be seeking assistance from Russia for AD systems, etc. Saddam would be quite busy with Obama and Putin, throwing his support to Putin, at the same time Iran would be building it's forces along the western border and interfering in the US Afghanistan efforts even more than it has. Iraq would then point out to KSA and the US intelligence services that he can be a useful counterweight to Iran, who would reluctantly either support or at least not hinder him. It's very possible that Saddam surviving might actually spur a nuclear arms race in the region. Iraq could not afford to face a nuclear armed Iran (or vis versa), without some similar ability to respond and Iraq could not count on any support from his neighbours thanks to his repeated attacks and invasions.
Would someone like Obama have maintained a no fly zone for the Shia's, particularly with Iran becoming more aggressive in Afghanistan? Saddam would also be likely to want to break Shia's leadership, so expect a upswing of oppression there. Saddam would be quite old with his family manoeuvring to take over, while other factions within the Baathist do the same, all-while attempting to survive purges from an increasingly paranoid Saddam.           
 
Civil war may be the only way to root out the pro-Iranian militias.We fought them during OIF. Its something the US would not want to repeat.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The breakdown in the staff reduction isnt discussed.They could be a reduction of Iraqi's working there or other departments .

In the article....

 

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PPCLI Guy said:
A slight nuance if I may.
Obviously,  I follow your posts as the wise but curmudgeonly Jedi that you are.  :bowdown:

Equally obviously, the points I mentioned already exceeded my bandwidth quota (for any discussion in which "Trump" is mentioned), without getting deeper into the weeds.  ;D

...so thank you for the addendum.
 
FJAG said:
Trump will continue to bluster and claim victory regardless of what is actually happening while the US's real influence in the area slowly bleeds away by a thousand little cuts Tweets.
Fixed that typo for you.  ;)


OK, now  I'll once again back away from Politics 'discussions' for a while.
 
Latest USA State Dep't travel advisory for the record ...
Iraq Travel Advisory
Travel Advisory
January 1, 2020
Iraq - Level 4: Do Not Travel

Do not travel to Iraq due to terrorism, kidnapping, and armed conflict.

U.S. citizens in Iraq are at high risk for violence and kidnapping. Numerous terrorist and insurgent groups are active in Iraq and regularly attack both Iraqi security forces and civilians. Anti-U.S. sectarian militias may also threaten U.S. citizens and Western companies throughout Iraq. Attacks by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) occur in many areas of the country, including Baghdad.

On December 31, 2019, the Embassy suspended public consular services, until further notice, as a result of damage done by Iranian-backed terrorist attacks on the Embassy compound.  U.S. Consulate General Erbil remains open and continues to provide consular services.  On October 18, 2018, the Department of State ordered the suspension of operations at the U.S. Consulate General in Basrah.  That institution has not reopened.

U.S. citizens should not travel through Iraq to Syria to engage in armed conflict, where they would face extreme personal risks (kidnapping, injury, or death) and legal risks (arrest, fines, and expulsion). The Kurdistan Regional Government stated that it will impose prison sentences of up to ten years on individuals who illegally cross the border. Additionally, fighting on behalf of, or supporting designated terrorist organizations, is a crime that can result in penalties, including prison time and large fines in the United States.

Due to risks to civil aviation operating within or in the vicinity of Iraq, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) and/or a Special Federal Aviation Regulation (SFAR). For more information, U.S. citizens should consult the Federal Aviation Administration’s Prohibitions, Restrictions and Notices.

Read the Safety and Security section on the country information page.

If you decide to travel to Iraq:

    Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.
    Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney.
    Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc.
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    Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
    Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
    Review the Crime and Safety Reports for Iraq.
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Last Update: Reissued with updates reflecting the termination of ordered departure of U.S. government personnel from U.S. Embassy Baghdad and Consulate Erbil.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Civil war may be the only way to root out the pro-Iranian militias.We fought them during OIF. Its something the US would not want to repeat.

After 16 years of "training" the Iraq armed forces (and 2 trillion dollars spent) it was those militia groups that were largely responsible for defeating ISIS, not the Iraq army.

Now all those well armed and battle hardened milita groups are camped all over Iraq and there isn't anything the Iraq government can do about it, especially not remove them by force. 
 
Is Canada prepared for an embassy being breached ? What the US did in Iraq shows that you don't necessarily need Marines as you could insert commandoes or even a battalion sized force by helicopter. Staging may take a bit but the key is support of local security forces. If they abandon their posts then all beats are off.
 
Jarnhamar said:
After 16 years of "training" the Iraq armed forces (and 2 trillion dollars spent) it was those militia groups that were largely responsible for defeating ISIS, not the Iraq army.

Now all those well armed and battle hardened milita groups are camped all over Iraq and there isn't anything the Iraq government can do about it, especially not remove them by force.

Just part of the ongoing Op ICF that started....a long time ago;  that coin was the best $20USD I spent while part of OIR/IMPACT.

If there was one thing I've witnessed move slower than the CAF fighter procurement project, it was ISF ground forces 'advancing'.  :D
 

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tomahawk6 said:
Is Canada prepared for an embassy being breached ? What the US did in Iraq shows that you don't necessarily need Marines as you could insert commandoes or even a battalion sized force by helicopter. Staging may take a bit but the key is support of local security forces. If they abandon their posts then all beats are off.
My guess it's already been planned for, and that plan would not be available in an unclassified domain.
 
Jarnhamar said:
After 16 years of "training" the Iraq armed forces (and 2 trillion dollars spent) it was those militia groups that were largely responsible for defeating ISIS, not the Iraq army.

Now all those well armed and battle hardened milita groups are camped all over Iraq and there isn't anything the Iraq government can do about it, especially not remove them by force.

The CTS did most of the heavy lifting in Mosul - and FedPol most of the oppression and wanton destruction...
 
Holy shit.  Al Muhandis as well?

http://news.trust.org//item/20200103004609-oc5sq/

Iran's Soleimani and Iraq's Muhandis killed in air strike -militia spokesman
by Reuters
Friday, 3 January 2020 01:18 GMT

BAGHDAD, Jan 3 (Reuters) - Iranian Major-General Qassem Soleimani, head of the elite Quds Force, and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were killed late on Thursday in an air strike on their convoy in Baghdad airport, an Iraqi militia spokesman told Reuters.

"The American and Israeli enemy is responsible for killing the mujahideen Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and Qassem Soleimani," said Ahmed al-Assadi, a spokesman for Iraq's Popular Mobilisation Forces umbrella grouping of Iran-backed militias. (Reporting by Ahmed Rasheed and Ahmed Aboulenein; Editing by Christian Schmollinger)
 
Possibly Army gunships as they have been active over the Embassy ? Fox says it was a rocket attack. Proof that Iran has been involved in Iraq.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-baghdad-airport-injuries-reported
 
Nothing from Trump on Twitter yet. He's still blithering about how the FBI ended up putting so many of his honest friends in jail.

A lot of very good people were taken down by a small group of Dirty (Filthy) Cops, politicians, government officials, and an investigation that was illegally started & that SPIED on my campaign. The Witch Hunt is sputtering badly, but still going on (Ukraine Hoax!). If this........had happened to a Presidential candidate, or President, who was a Democrat, everybody involved would long ago be in jail for treason (and more), and it would be considered the CRIME OF THE CENTURY, far bigger and more sinister than Watergate!

:cheers:
 
The open source reports speak of 3 x Katyusha rockets.  As you know doubt know, perhaps from being at the other end of one, they are not at all accurate or precision weapons.

As to this:

Fox says it was a rocket attack. Proof that Iran has been involved in Iraq.

I do not see any correlation.  Nor do I see any doubt that "Iran has been involved in Iraq".  This is a well-established fact, irrespective of which media outlet reports it....what with it being a fact and all of that.
 
The death of the Quds Force commander inside Iraq is proof enough. Whether a drone or apache required intelligence. Good response to the embassy attack. Now maybe security will return to the Green zone. ;)
 
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