Infantry Vehicles

[Spencer100]

Why not just do the Canadian thing and do some cross border shopping at our neighbour's armouries/arsenals...

It would take them some time to find them missing. Lol the average NG local drill hall has more stuff then a CFB.

Have a training weekend with a NG unit them give them beer....quietly leave with more than you came with....

 

[Kirkhill]

Terms of Reference?


Light Utility Vehicle? - 2 crew plus 2 tonnes plus a 1 tonne trailer OR 4 Crew - Some Level 1 vehicles





Logistic Vehicle Modernization - Light Expeditionary - 2.5 to 3.5 tonnes of Light Cargo and Troops with a 2.5 to 3.5 tonne trailer payload








Logistics Vehicle Modernization - Light Domestic - Identical payloads to the Expeditionary Vehicle

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F550 is the base for the Senator - Off hand it looks to me like most of those Light Protected Mobility Vehicles are more like LVM(L) trucks with armoured modules than LUV vehicles.

Payload

4x2/4x4
12,660/12,321 lbs. maximum payload = 5.8 to 5.6 tonnes
19,500/19,500 lbs. GVWR

Towed

Towing Capacity	Front Axles	Rear Axles
16,000 lbs. (conventional) 26,600 lbs. (5th-wheel)	Monobeam, Dana Super 60 - 7,000 lbs. capacity	Full-Floating Dana S110 - 13,660 lbs. capacity

 

[Kirkhill]

The Light Forces Enhancement Project Tactical Mobility Platform - with its team and 1.25 tonne payload with a 0.5 tonne trailer looks a lot closer to the Jeep or CUCV or the ISV than the LUV.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Gidran with the RDM 120 is a 14 tonne GVWR vehicle.

Specifications
Manufacturer	Nurol Makina (first 50); Rheinmetall Hungary for any subsequent production[1]
Produced	2021
Mass	14,000 kg[2]
Length	5.8m[2]
Width	2.5m[2]
Height	2.5m[2]
Crew	1+7[2]
Armor	Up to STANAG-4569 Level 4
Main armament	Aselsan’s Stabilised Advanced Remote Weapon Platform (SARP) (current deliveries) armed with light or heavy machine gun, or automatic grenade launcher
Engine	6-cylinder turbocharged Cummins diesel[2] 375 hp[2]
Operational range	700 km[2]
Maximum speed	120 km/h[2]
References	[3]

The Ocelot/Foxhound is a 7.5 tonne vehicle - equivalent in weight to the JLTV

Mass	Gross Vehicle Weight 7,500 kg (7.4 long tons)
Length	5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)
Width	2.1 m (6 ft 11 in)
Height	2.35 m (7 ft 9 in)
Engine	Steyr M16-Monoblock 6-cylinder Diesel 160 kW (210 hp)
Transmission	ZF 6HP28X 6-speed automatic transmission
Maximum speed	82 mph (132 km/h)

The Gidran is closer to the Aussie Bushmaster than the Aussie Hawkei.

Mass	11,400 kg (25,133 lb) (kerb)[2] 15,400 kg (33,951 lb) (GVM)[2]
Length	7,180 mm[2]
Width	2,480 mm[2]
Height	2,650 mm[2]
Crew	1 (driver), 9 (passengers)[2]
Armor	ballistic exceeds STANAG 4569 level 1 – standard[3] ballistic up to STANAG 4569 level 3 – option[3] FSP up to STANAG 4569 level 5 – option[3] IED high level of protection from monocoque hull – standard[3] mine exceeds STANAG 4569 level 3 – standard[3]

 

[ueo]

The Gidran with the RDM 120 is a 14 tonne GVWR vehicle.

Specifications
Manufacturer	Nurol Makina (first 50); Rheinmetall Hungary for any subsequent production[1]
Produced	2021
Mass	14,000 kg[2]
Length	5.8m[2]
Width	2.5m[2]
Height	2.5m[2]
Crew	1+7[2]
Armor	Up to STANAG-4569 Level 4
Main armament	Aselsan’s Stabilised Advanced Remote Weapon Platform (SARP) (current deliveries) armed with light or heavy machine gun, or automatic grenade launcher
Engine	6-cylinder turbocharged Cummins diesel[2] 375 hp[2]
Operational range	700 km[2]
Maximum speed	120 km/h[2]
References	[3]

The Ocelot/Foxhound is a 7.5 tonne vehicle - equivalent in weight to the JLTV

Mass	Gross Vehicle Weight 7,500 kg (7.4 long tons)
Length	5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)
Width	2.1 m (6 ft 11 in)
Height	2.35 m (7 ft 9 in)
Engine	Steyr M16-Monoblock 6-cylinder Diesel 160 kW (210 hp)
Transmission	ZF 6HP28X 6-speed automatic transmission
Maximum speed	82 mph (132 km/h)

The Gidran is closer to the Aussie Bushmaster than the Aussie Hawkei.

Mass	11,400 kg (25,133 lb) (kerb)[2] 15,400 kg (33,951 lb) (GVM)[2]
Length	7,180 mm[2]
Width	2,480 mm[2]
Height	2,650 mm[2]
Crew	1 (driver), 9 (passengers)[2]
Armor	ballistic exceeds STANAG 4569 level 1 – standard[3] ballistic up to STANAG 4569 level 3 – option[3] FSP up to STANAG 4569 level 5 – option[3] IED high level of protection from monocoque hull – standard[3] mine exceeds STANAG 4569 level 3 – standard[3]

Many proposed vehs here, Why not a toyota with quad M2s? Basically a throw away but fast, maneuverable etc. Handed better armored forces their heads on many occasions. But really cheap, should appeal to govts of all stripes!

 

[Kirkhill]

Many proposed vehs here, Why not a toyota with quad M2s? Basically a throw away but fast, maneuverable etc. Handed better armored forces their heads on many occasions. But really cheap, should appeal to govts of all stripes!

You're right. There are many solutions here. And somehow somebody thinks that all of them can be made to work.

 

[markppcli]

You're right. There are many solutions here. And somehow somebody thinks that all of them can be made to work.

They all do their job to some degree; but not all of them do the job we need done. In fact most don’t.

 

[Kirkhill]

They all do their job to some degree; but not all of them do the job we need done. In fact most don’t.

Which "we"?

 

[markppcli]

We the Canadian Army. It’s the only “we,” this “the reg force” and “the reserves” stuff is absurd and counter productive. We are a single army made up of regulars and reservists who achieve a single goal. Or we’re supposed to be anyways.

 

[Kirkhill]

How about we the armoured, medium and light regs?

 

[daftandbarmy]

We the Canadian Army. It’s the only “we,” this “the reg force” and “the reserves” stuff is absurd and counter productive. We are a single army made up of regulars and reservists who achieve a single goal. Or we’re supposed to be anyways.

Reserves 2000 enters the chat

Home

Expand Canada's Army Reserve / Élargissez la réserve de l'armée canadienne

reserves2000.ca

 

[childs56]

It would take them some time to find them missing. Lol the average NG local drill hall has more stuff then a CFB.

Have a training weekend with a NG unit them give them beer....quietly leave with more than you came with....

At one time one of the Guard units in Yakima offered us Conversion on their Paladin's and even offered to Loan us one of them for training and also a Towed 155. They asked if we could provide a couple of Gun Detachments for their training on a semi regular basis. Our superiors said no.

 

[Spencer100]

Big win for AM General.

AM General unseats Oshkosh to build Joint Light Tactical Vehicle

The Army has chosen to oust incumbent Oshkosh in favor of AM General to build Joint Light Tactical Vehicles.

www.defensenews.com

As an aside interesting to see the government flex sometimes. It's was an Oshkosh design but because the US paided the the R&D and own the IP they can just give it to the bidding bidder.

 

[Rifleman62]

Must be nice to get new equipment of any kind.

 

[Kirkhill]

Big win for AM General.

AM General unseats Oshkosh to build Joint Light Tactical Vehicle

The Army has chosen to oust incumbent Oshkosh in favor of AM General to build Joint Light Tactical Vehicles.

www.defensenews.com

As an aside interesting to see the government flex sometimes. It's was an Oshkosh design but because the US paided the the R&D and own the IP they can just give it to the bidding bidder.

A bit of karrma?

Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Manufacturer	Stewart & Stevenson (original) Armor Holdings (acquired Stewart & Stevenson) BAE Systems (acquired Armor Holdings) Oshkosh Corporation (current; won rebuy competition)[2]
Produced	1982–present
No. built	BAE Systems and legacy companies – 74,000 trucks and trailers Oshkosh Defense – 40,500 trucks and trailers as of August 2021 (production continues)

The FMTV is derived from the Austrian Steyr 12M18 truck, but substantially modified to meet United States Army requirements, these including a minimum 50 percent U.S. content

 

[Kirkhill]

Best reason I have seen yet for upgunning the LAV ISCs - or at least a portion of the fleet

If we still had the GDF-005s, or were planning on replacing them, then 35 mm would seem to be a good upgrade level.

I am not necessarily proposing adopting the CV90 just to get its turret. Just looking for its gun and UTAS FCS. Maybe some of the ACSVs could be turreted and some of the LAV6s coiuld have their turrets removed.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Chieftain conducting a detail familiarization with a CV90 simulation

 

[markppcli]

My only concern with 35mm, and I fully admit to being a conservative in my outlooks, is that you severely reduce ammunition capacity. And now we start adding new ammo types and that primary role gets hard to achieve. If we up gun LAV 6 I’d be tempted towards 40mm telescoping

CV90 with the bofors has 24 ready rounds and has two more magazines in the turret. The CV9035 has 70 in two belts of 35 and has another 140 available to be loaded. LAV 6 has 210, 150 and 60, ready and another 210 carried.

 

[KevinB]

My only concern with 35mm, and I fully admit to being a conservative in my outlooks, is that you severely reduce ammunition capacity. And now we start adding new ammo types and that primary role gets hard to achieve. If we up gun LAV 6 I’d be tempted towards 40mm telescoping

The 40mm CTA cannon that was on the cancelled Warrior upgrade looked really impressive.
CTA gives Aprox 30% less weight, and usually 10% less area requirement for the ammo due to the shape.

 

[markppcli]

The 40mm CTA cannon that was on the cancelled Warrior upgrade looked really impressive.
CTA gives Aprox 30% less weight, and usually 10% less area requirement for the ammo due to the shape.

It’s on AJAX as well but I don’t hold that against it. How they managed to only carry 65 rounds is beyond me but I suppose if your reference point is RARDEN then everything is an upgrade