Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

[KevinB]

You're not wrong. A cav squadron (non-tank) in my mind looks like the Canadian Reconnaissance Regiment from the Second World War.

I made a thread. The Reconnaissance Brigade

I’m still gaming out the capabilities. So ORBAT is in flux.

 

[AmmoTech90]

120mm mortars are infantry, not arty held

They are nowhere held right now as they are a potentiality on paper.
Thinking like this is why we have 3 symmetrical brigade with low manning.

 

[PrairieFella]

They are nowhere held right now as they are a potentiality on paper.
Thinking like this is why we have 3 symmetrical brigade with low manning.

The thinking is tactics lol. The infantry need mortars and the range on them isn't that useful for the arty. I'd rather my gunners on guns and rockets, leave the mortars to the maneouvre units who are better served by them.

 

[FJAG]

That's good you are looking at artillery brigade org. That's where we are officially headed from the scuttlebut I've heard. If we are going to a fighting division construct it makes complete sense.

Me too. I think it makes sense even if we aren't going to a fighting division (and I think we should). There are additional reasons why grouping all gunners (including reserve regiments) into one brigade.

I don't know what half the symbols on there actually (sneeking looks wiki for assistance) are but I'm going to say that you're going to need heavy integral UAV assets. Also there needs to be the 120mm mortar LAV's in that org chart. (81mm will be with the infantry Battalions).

Some are made up to show specific arty taskings. (I'll make a small legend later tonight)

UAVs and loitering munitions are in the battery on the right of the three SP gun batteries. It also contains radars and other sensors. I see 120mm mortars exclusively with the infantry (even if attached to or integral to cavalry units) Mortars with artillery was a very specialized function (such as in the old Airborne Battery) until the big clusterf**k of the turn of the century AwP reorgs. Its time to realign all that. I know there are armies that think differently (including folks in ours) but I'm a strong proponent of 120s with the mech inf battalions. Bn COs need guaranteed fire support - and believe it or not but CS arty in direct support to a battalion can still be taken away at priority call to some one else. The range of a 120 is appropriate for a mech bn on the move while an 81 is somewhat limited.

Ukrainian experience shows that artillery and drones working on concert are devestating. Not only do drones do the spotting but they get the mobility kill on the vehicle while the artillery takes out the dismounts. Or artillery suppress air defence troops while drones attack a high value target. Putting these two together into the same Brigade only makes sense to me.

I'm not sure where loitering munitions would go.

I see loitering munitions at all levels within the brigade (and division) in layers from the rifle company on up. While companies and battalions generally use them within their own AOs, the arty ones will go further into depth and also allow concentrations of additional resources at critical points anywhere in the bde area.