First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

[The Bread Guy]

Who is least likely to have torched them?

Who is most likely to have torched them?

I don't agree with all this publication shares, but there's more than just a kernel of truth here about the Big Church-Indigenous spiritualism divide in some places. More grist for the mill ....

 

[Loachman]

I don't agree with a lot of what I see in the various sources that I trawl, either regularly or sporadically, but there are worthy articles, of varying frequency, in all of them.

And that includes articles with which I disagree, because they make me think and re-evaluate.

No segment of any society anywhere is a solid monolith. There will always be different views.

This was a good one.

And I see more that I intend to read as well.

Thanks.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... No segment of any society anywhere is a solid monolith. There will always be different views ...

A variation on this that I tell people: nothing has everything, but everything has something.

I don't agree with a lot of what I see in the various sources that I trawl, either regularly or sporadically, but there are worthy articles, of varying frequency, in all of them.

And that includes articles with which I disagree, because they make me think and re-evaluate ....

100%

 

[Remius]

Its a bit tone deaf isn't it? Or at least I see it that way.

On the other hand the grovelers and apologists grate my nerves too.

Seems that priest has resigned

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-area-priest-resigns-after-backlash-from-sermon-on-good-done-in-residential-schools-1.6081404

 

[OldSolduer]

Seems that priest has resigned

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-area-priest-resigns-after-backlash-from-sermon-on-good-done-in-residential-schools-1.6081404

That’s probably a good thing.
Just a thought here but some people are going to make a ton of money sorting this out.

 

[The Bread Guy]

And again ....

Two more Catholic churches on Indigenous land in B.C.’s Interior burned to the ground early Saturday morning.

The latest were located on reserves in the Similkameen Valley, and come just days after two Catholic churches burned down on Indigenous land in the southern Okanagan.

Chief Keith Crow, of the Lower Similkameen Indian Band, said St. Anne’s Church on the Chuchuwayha reserve in Hedley and the Lower Similkameen Indian Band church, the Chopaka Church, were destroyed by fire at about 4 a.m.

He said the fires were suspicious and “possibly” linked to the other two in the Okanagan ...

 

[daftandbarmy]

And again ....

And another one....

Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief​

Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief | Globalnews.ca

"That church was built by our ancestors in the late 1800s by the hands of our elders at the time with such a great sense of pride," Gitwangak elected Chief Sandra Larin said.

globalnews.ca

 

[Kilted]

And another one....

Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief​

Another church on B.C. First Nations land targeted by arson: Chief | Globalnews.ca

"That church was built by our ancestors in the late 1800s by the hands of our elders at the time with such a great sense of pride," Gitwangak elected Chief Sandra Larin said.

globalnews.ca

It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.

 

[brihard]

It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.

Could be a copycat. The other four were all Catholic, and were destroyed.

 

[OldSolduer]

It's concerning that it was an Anglican Church. I thought that it might have been related to the Pope's lack of apology. Of course, they may be targeting churches indiscriminately, which will be concerning if this gets more out of hand. I should not that one burnt Church is out of hand.

The Anglicans ran schools as well

 

[Brad Sallows]

Hardly matters. It's a form of collective punishment.

 

[brihard]

Hardly matters. It's a form of collective punishment.

Or one person’s outlet for pent up rage.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The Anglicans ran schools as well

But they apologized in 1993 - I know, not enough for some, but at least there's another template out there for other organizations.

Edited to add: Just spotted this - MSM maybe not getting every detail right notwithstanding, an interesting approach taken to getting churches to cough up money for reconciliation back in the mid-teens...

The failure of the Catholic Church's fundraising efforts for aboriginal healing and reconciliation means that other churches involved in the notorious residential schools have been let off the hook for more than $3-million in contributions.

The Catholic fundraising program collected just $3.7-million toward its $25-million goal. This reduced the totals required from the Anglican, United and Presbyterian churches, because each had signed a deal with the federal government that linked their contributions to aboriginal healing to those of the Catholics.

Catholic organizations ran most of the residential schools, and had the largest financial obligations of any church under Canada's 2007 settlement that ended thousands of individual and class-action lawsuits. The federal government spent an estimated $5-billion directly compensating 79,000 survivors.

The Anglican Church was allowed to keep $2.7-million it had raised for healing, and return it to local church communities. A church spokesman said many of those communities set up healing programs with their share of the money. The United Church was allowed to reduce its maximum obligation by $450,000, a church spokesman said. The Presbyterian Church had already put its maximum obligation of $1.3-million toward healing programs and therefore was contractually not in a position to receive anything back. The church says it effectively waived its right to get money back by spending it up front.

About 50 Catholic entities were obliged to use their "best efforts" to raise $25-million for healing and reconciliation. The $25-million was in addition to $29-million in cash for the Aboriginal Healing Foundation and $25-million in services to aboriginal communities.

In an e-mail exchange with The Globe, the government declined to provide a direct answer on what it did to ensure the Catholic groups lived up to their best-efforts promise. "The supervising Courts remain the authority for determining whether the terms of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement have been met," said spokeswoman Valérie Haché of the Indigenous and Northern Affairs department.

The government says its agreement releasing the Catholics from their financial contributions is confidential, even though a researcher for The Globe and Mail found a draft of it in a public court file at the Saskatchewan Court of Queen's Bench in Regina ...

 

[Kilted]

Hardly matters. It's a form of collective punishment.

That's not the prerogative of a private individual(s). It's still a criminal act and should be viewed as such regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Remius]

That's not the prerogative of a private individual(s). It's still a criminal act and should be viewed as such regardless of the circumstances.

And I am sure it will be viewed as a criminal act once they conclude that fact. Last I read, the authorities are treating these cases as suspicious. Once they have all their evidence I am sure they will conduct whatever criminal investigation is required.

 

[lenaitch]

structure fires happen naturally, accidentally, or deliberately. I am sure the police are working with the fire investigators as we speak.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Just the usual seasonal church fires due to lightning strikes and careless campers.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Speaking to my friend still working the regulatory field, this is rippling into the regulatory world by impacting consulting, coupled with UNDRIP The combined impact may have a rippling effect for years to come and impact on Canada's GDP.

 

[suffolkowner]

Speaking to my friend still working the regulatory field, this is rippling into the regulatory world by impacting consulting, coupled with UNDRIP The combined impact may have a rippling effect for years to come and impact on Canada's GDP.

Yeah before Covid, the rail blockades were starting to cripple this country. It would be best if we as a country/society/government got ahead of this and in my mind bit the bullet

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Problem is that Ottawa does not understand consultation and wants a one size fit all process, but each province is different and each band needs a different approach. My old Department does not do a good job in staffing positions in the regulatory consulting unit and it leads to burn out of the few people there.