First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

[Kat Stevens]

And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D

 

[Bluebulldog]

And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D

mmmmm.........pureed Big Mac and fries........

 

[Pandora114]

And the Kitchen Ninja could liquefy pretty much anything else available at the drive through, too...  ;D

Yup, that's how my husband's sgt is eating after his jaw surgery.

Christmas Dinner was funny, a maj brought her ninja blender so the poor guy could enjoy the roast beef dinner he wanted.

 

[The_Falcon]

That last article brings up an interesting concept, one I don't think has been discussed here, or been taken into account by many in the INM and their associated hangers on.  And that is the whole concept of a higher non-WASP immigrant population that has no history or connection to any of this mess, and despite what some naysayers say and think, work their butts off to eek out a barely middle class existence.  I can see how they might not look to favourably on handing out billions (of their money) without proper accounting of it, and see it is being pissed away.  They might even start voicing their displeasure to their elected officials, and as their numbers grow, those officials might actually start listening since their prospects of re-election could very well depend on it.

Thoughts ?

 

[larry Strong]

But they are not.  They gave away the "sovereign nation" status with Treaties # 5 and # 9.  If they want to conveniently forget this "sin of their forefathers" then we should not be held accountable of any of the "sins of our forefathers" (which they (all visible minorities) so often remind us of and hold us accountable for), and we are left with this:


From Treaty No. 5, 20 September 1875:
http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028699/1100100028700

From Treaty No 9, 18 June 1931:
  http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100028863/1100100028864

Treaty #5 and #9 deal with the James Bay area and Manitoba with small bits of Ontario and Saskatchewan respectively. Have the Alberta natives ceded their lands as well? If so what Treaties were they?

My Google-fu does not seem to be working for me today and I can't find any answers.



Thanks
Larry

 

[Retired AF Guy]

That last article brings up an interesting concept, one I don't think has been discussed here, or been taken into account by many in the INM and their associated hangers on.  And that is the whole concept of a higher non-WASP immigrant population that has no history or connection to any of this mess, and despite what some naysayers say and think, work their butts off to eek out a barely middle class existence.  I can see how they might not look to favourably on handing out billions (of their money) without proper accounting of it, and see it is being pissed away.  They might even start voicing their displeasure to their elected officials, and as their numbers grow, those officials might actually start listening since their prospects of re-election could very well depend on it.

Thoughts ?

Excellent point. Sixty per cent of people living in Toronto are of immigrant background, so when they see their lives being disrupted by native protests they are, like you state, will voice their displeasure. Not good news for Liberal's/NDP who are supportive of the native protests.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Excellent point. Sixty per cent of people living in Toronto are of immigrant background, so when they see their lives being disrupted by native protests they are, like you state, will voice their displeasure. Not good news for Liberal's/NDP who are supportive of the native protests.

It doesn't matter. They're all infidels settlers.  (sounds familiar)

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Treaty #5 and #9 deal with the James Bay area and Manitoba with small bits of Ontario and Saskatchewan respectively. Have the Alberta natives ceded their lands as well? If so what Treaties were they?

My Google-fu does not seem to be working for me today and I can't find any answers.



Thanks
Larry

A map of the different treaties as they pertain to the prairie provinces.
Source: Loyal till Death: Indians and the North-West Rebellion. By Blair Stonechild and Bill Waiser

 

[uptheglens]

It doesn't matter. Their all infidels settlers.  (sounds familiar)

But will still be called white.

 

[larry Strong]

A map of the different treaties as they pertain to the prairie provinces.
Source: Loyal till Death: Indians and the North-West Rebellion. By Blair Stonechild and Bill Waiser

Many thanks. Gonna have too figure out how to make the map bigger. Might have to buy the book



Larry

 

[ballz]

An Edmonton woman drove through the blockade (today I think). Yeah, real peaceful crowd...

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid868989705001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAybGjzqk~,6NfTc6c241GVQxOh-GBHNHu5Cuhlf-y9&bctid=2098845632001

"You're gonna kill someone" No shit, then get the fuck off the road.

 

[larry Strong]

An ordinary citizen also went to counter protest:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130116-170014.html

Larry

 

[ballz]

An ordinary citizen also went to counter protest:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2013/01/20130116-170014.html

Larry

They really make it sound like he needs their permission to stand there peacefully with his sign. Unbelievable.

EDIT to add: He wasn't exactly making the most compelling argument either ("the Jews got over it") but as soon as they started with their nonsense they just embarrass themselves without his help.

 

[larry Strong]

They really make it sound like he needs their permission to stand there peacefully with his sign. Unbelievable.

EDIT to add: He wasn't exactly making the most compelling argument either ("the Jews got over it") but as soon as they started with their nonsense they just embarrass themselves without his help.

Yeah that's why I was asking above, about treaties out west here! As the chief keeps mentioning that the road was theirs. He - the civie - should have had all his counter points ready before he showed up in my view.



Larry

 

[ballz]

He - the civie - should have had all his counter points ready before he showed up in my view.

For sure, but unfortunately I don't think a reasoned, intelligent debate would have transpired regardless :-\

 

[Old Sweat]

This piece by Terry Glavin from the 16 January Ottawa Citizen, reproducded under the Fair Dealings provision of the Copyright Act, does a pretty good job of putting the various pieces in perspective. It does little in raise my comfort level as it demonstrates that the AFN is badly divided.


AFN obstructionists will stop at nothing

By Terry Glavin, Ottawa Citizen January 16, 2013


Let’s say that somehow, the eruption we’ve all agreed to call Idle No More results in a historic breakthrough between Ottawa and Canada’s diverse and deeply troubled First Nations.

Let’s say the covenant recognizes and affirms aboriginal and treaty rights and contains a specific, collaborative action plan to deal with the urgent challenges of aboriginal childhood education, economic development, First Nations governance and accountability. Plus it comes with a startup $275 million just to be sure the rubber hits the road. And it’s announced at a historic gathering in Ottawa with the senior First Nations chiefs, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and even Governor-General David Johnston.

Now let’s say along comes an obstructionist “movement” that masquerades as militant but is really a minority faction of eccentric and reactionary Indian band chiefs who are hopelessly devoted to the status quo. They set out to methodically undermine the agreement. They hijack the work plan. Within a year they’ve pretty well sabotaged the whole thing.

You would not know it for all the pageantry and the rhetoric about genocide and treaties and insurrection, but that’s just one untold story of Idle No More so far. There was such an agreement. It was called the Joint Action Plan, dated June 9, 2011. It was systematically derailed, piece by piece, and its saboteurs are now among the loudest and most theatrical characters in the Idle No More drama.

It’s what British Columbia regional chief Jody Wilson-Raybould was talking about when she told the CBC last Sunday: “No one should use those movements as political opportunities to play power politics within the AFN.” But the opportunities have been taken, the power politics have been played, and for all the unhinged activist denunciations of the ruling Conservatives, it is the Assembly of First Nations that has been nearly riven asunder by all this.

It is not our sinister genius of a prime minister who’s in sick bay on doctor’s orders this week (pollster Ipsos-Reid reported Tuesday that the prime minister’s approval ratings are just fine). It’s Shawn Atleo, the visionary 46-year-old AFN national chief and co-author of the 2011 Joint Action Plan. Chief Atleo is expected to be off work pulling knives out of his back for perhaps two weeks.

This is not to traduce those four Saskatoon women whose earnest if unhelpfully paranoid reading of the 457-page parliamentary indignity packaged as Bill C-45 set off the Idle No More flash mobs in the first place. And great tribute is owed those thousands of aboriginal people who have marched in the snow, jingle danced at the mall and paraded down Main Street.

But to regard every harmless sidewalk gathering of drummers and singers as somehow ominously newsworthy is tolerable only until actual “news” occurs and it isn’t even noticed. Like last Sunday, when Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan unveiled a $330.8-million investment in water and sewer systems in First Nations communities across the country, along with a long-term strategy to fix the drinking-water mess that afflicts so many Indian reserves.


Maybe it wasn’t that big a deal, but perhaps if Duncan had dressed up like Sir Isaac Brock, shuttle-bused the Ottawa press gallery down to Queenston Heights and acted out the lines of the announcement in interpretive dance, you might have at least heard about it.

Not that “social media” have helped to clarify much.

Everyone from James Bay Cree Grand Chief Matthew Coon Come to New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair has expressed the wish that Attawapiskat Chief Theresa “willing to die for my people” Spence would just knock it off and go home. Even the Aboriginal People’s Television Network calls Chief Spence’s hunger strike at the Victoria Island aboriginal folk park merely a “liquids-only fast.”

But here’s what you get from the activist webzine The Canadian Progressive: “Hunger-striking Attawapiskat First Nation Chief Theresa Spence is the reincarnation of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. She is becoming the greatest moral and political leader of our time. In fact, Chief Theresa Spence’s courage and sacrifice already eclipses that of South Africa’s globally celebrated anti-apartheid icon, Nelson Mandela.”

It took only two months for an Internet meme to morph into a national news obsession. Now it’s the main alibi available to the bullying, anti-democratic minority that’s been paralyzing the AFN all along. Among the faction’s most prominent personalities are Manitoba Chief Derek Nepinak, Onion Lake Cree Chief Wally Fox and Serpent River Chief Isadore Day. These are the stout lads who came to Parliament Hill Dec. 4 intending to make a scene, purportedly about Bill C-45, and immediately resorted to roughhousing with House of Commons security guards for the television cameras.

Last February, only a month after the historic Crown-First Nations gathering in Ottawa, Chief Fox scored his first direct hit when he convinced the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations to reject the Crown-First Nations joint action plan in its entirety. The plan’s centrepiece was its far-reaching overhaul of and investment in aboriginal education.

The obstructionists boycotted the AFN’s own internal education task force and then had the gall to protest a lack of consultation when Atleo and Minister Duncan hammered out the beginning of a legislative strategy.

By last October, after a three-day session led mainly by Chief Nepinak, Atleo emerged to announce grimly that even his beloved education plan was history.

Then there’s Pam Palmater, the Rabble.ca columnist and Mi’kmaq academic whom Atleo thrashed in a 341-141 vote in last summer’s AFN elections. Palmater campaigned on the nasty claim that Atleo had “gone rogue” and was quietly collaborating with the incorrigibly right-wing Stephen Harper to transform the AFN into “the Assimilation of First Nations.” By late December, Palmater had emerged as the most prominent official spokesperson and organizer for Idle No More.

By last week, Nepinak, Fox and the rest were forming up in entourage behind Chief Spence in a grotesquely staged fiasco that was aimed solely at bullying the AFN executive to boycott the meeting Chief Atleo and Prime Minister Harper had managed to arrange in the Langevin Block. The obstructionists failed. But they haven’t stopped.


Last Sunday, Ernie Crey, the former United Native Nations vice-president who was the first aboriginal leader to openly question the motives of certain of Idle No More’s slickest champions, told me: Just watch, these demagogues have already insinuated themselves into Idle No More’s national spotlight and they’ll soon be busy “hounding the national chief from office.”

Two days later, APTN National News’s Jorge Barrera, on agreement that he wouldn’t name names, acquired a string of emails circulating in the obstructionist camp. One chief said Chief Atleo’s sudden medical leave had the “stench of seeking pity” about it. Another joked that Chief Atleo might prefer to take up some “less stressful position” in British Columbia. Another wrote that Chief Atleo should take “permanent leave.”

After losing to Atleo in last summer’s AFN elections, Pam Palmater declared: “We’re going to keep going. This is a movement that won’t stop now.” This isn’t the note one strikes in a graceful concession speech. Palmater wasn’t talking about Idle No More, either, when she said, “Our movement is strong.”

It certainly is. It’s just not quite the same “movement” we’ve all been hearing about.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

An Edmonton woman drove through the blockade (today I think). Yeah, real peaceful crowd...

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid868989705001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAybGjzqk~,6NfTc6c241GVQxOh-GBHNHu5Cuhlf-y9&bctid=2098845632001

"You're gonna kill someone" No shit, then get the fuck off the road.

This type of stuff will likely happen more and more as people say "F-off" to illegal action by INM.  I say well done.  They've no right to block traffic.  Someone finally had the 'nads to say "pftttttttt whatever". 

 

[larry Strong]

Apparantly the Chief that stated it was their land was correct.......sort of.....if this was pre-1889......reproduced under the Fair Dealings provision of the Copyright Act

Alberta's Papaschase grievances are largely illusory

The first thing to remember about the Idle No More blockade that kinda, sorta happened on the QEII highway just south of town on Wednesday is that the group behind it - the Papaschase First Nation - isn't even a real aboriginal band.

If anything, Papaschase is an air band - existing only in thin air. It has a chief, but no reserve. Even the Supreme Court of Canada has rejected its attempt to file a land claim. Yet there they were disrupting the busiest highway in the province.

Like much of the Idle movement, the Papaschase grievances are largely illusory. Yet that didn't stop them from trying to harass, delay and generally annoy tens of thousands of law-abiding Albertans.

The ancestors of today's Papaschase complainants signed away their reserve in the late 1880s. Of the 10 families on the reserve (which covered most of current southeast Edmonton) in 1886, seven - including the chief - gave up their claims in return for a cash payment. Most moved to the Enoch reserve west of town or drifted away.

The remaining three families agreed to be bought out in 1889.

Much of present-day Edmonton south of Whitemud Drive, including the drive itself, is on what was once Papaschase land.

Roughly, the old reserve ran from 51st Avenue in the north to Ellerslie Road on the south, and from 122nd Street in the west to 34th Street in the east - a large (and valuable) chunk of the city. It includes Southgate Mall, Mill Woods Town Centre and South Edmonton Common, the newest leg of Anthony Henday Drive and four high schools, Harry Ainlay, Louis St. Laurent, Holy Trinity and J. Percy Page.

Roughly 175,000 Edmontonians today live on what was once Papaschase land. But the operative word is "was."

The "band" was not seeking a return of its land. Rather it wanted compensation of a mere $2.5 billion.

However, in 2008, the Supreme Court ruled the current group of aboriginals who claim to be descendants of Chief Papaschase could not file a land claim. The justices were unanimous in their decision

The remainder of the article which deals more with the INM can be found here;

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/01/20130117-075439.html


Larry

 

[a_majoor]

It seems to me that if an agreement has been worked out with the AFN, then the government should carry on regardless, with one significant addition: any band or group which "opts out" will be ignored by the GoC, while bands which work with the AFN and GoC get the funding and assistance offered. It is quite clear that the government's communications strategy is off; they should not only be pushing these announcements forward wherever and whenever they can, but also using the existence of these agreements and programs as the lead in counterattacking the narrative of the INM, the legacy media and the Indian Industry and its apologists.

The damning audit of Chief Spence and the support of the majority of Canadians for real reform of the system is a golden opportunity to neutralize the race card and bypass the obstructionists, the GoC should be moving much faster and more forcefully in my opinion.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Blockade's of rail lines and roads a terrorist act?

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/2096467291001