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Any financial counselor will tell you you don't give charity when you're broke yourself.
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Any financial counselor will tell you you don't give charity when you're broke yourself.
OldSolduer
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WARLORD Mohammed Farid Aidid enters the chat....
We have 10,000 homeless CAF vets (estimated) in Canada. Can we not help them first?
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Nope. There's no world virtue signalling category for that.
There's also no despot to secure the funds and provide a kickback.
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Like Mohamed Farid Aidid......right? Or that guy in Afghansitan.....
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Likely every one, at least as far back and including Karzai and ending with Ghani who allegedly fled, by helicopter, with $169 million as the Taliban were entering Kabul.
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You guys are asking for more than we can give.Nope. There's no world virtue signalling category for that.
There's also no despot to secure the funds and provide a kickback.
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I know you're joking BUT homelessness in the Veteran community is a thing. Its real and at home.
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Just to clarify, the definition of these veterans is anyone who completed basic up to those who completed service with pensions in hand?
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Mandate, Mission, Vision, Values and Ethics | Veterans Affairs Canada
Table of Contents Who we serve: our client defin
Any former member of the Canadian Armed Forces who successfully underwent basic training and is honourably discharged.
When people think of Veterans, many immediately picture someone who served in the First World War,Second World War or the Korean War. While many Canadians recognize these traditional Veterans, the same may not always be true for Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) Veterans—those who served Canada since the Korean War.
In fact, some former CAF members don't even see themselves as Veterans. Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) wants to change this and is working to ensure CAF Veterans receive the honour and recognition they have earned and so richly deserve.
VAC considers any former member of the Canadian Armed Forces who releases with an honourable discharge and who successfully underwent basic training to be a Veteran.
This Veteran status recognizes the risk CAF members assume by wearing the uniform and pledging allegiance. Canada's modern-day Veterans are carrying on the traditions, values and legacy of wartime Veterans and all Canadians, especially our youth, should be aware of their accomplishments and sacrifices.
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OK so first off my position is that the state owes a solemn duty to veterans. If the state has the power to order you into harms way knowing full well that you can be seriously maimed or killed, they have a duty to support you afterward.I know you're joking BUT homelessness in the Veteran community is a thing. Its real and at home.
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That's being said, I think the line "but our homeless veterans!" is a bullshit appeal to emotion that obfuscates the complexity of veteran homelessness. Are we not supposed to spend any money on anyone else until every veteran is housed and healthy? How do you know their homelessness has anything at all to do with their service and status as a veteran? How do you know that their mental health problems that contribute to their homelessness has anything to do with their service?
Do veterans support programs need to be better funded and more robust? I think so. Do we have to wait to spend money on others until we "solve" the veterans homelessness problem? Absolutely not.
OldSolduer
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Ok so what’s your solution?
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Whoa, whoa, I'm sure he's busy finding that third world country where our foreign aid stops chattel women from violent, physical abuse and the AAR to prove it.
You'll have to wait your turn OS
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Solution to what, exactly?
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Never mind
Some homeless veterans are homeless because trauma they experienced in their service left them physically and/or mentally broken, and they were unsuccessful in transitioning out of CAF life and have fallen in a whole.
Other homeless veterans are homeless and, coincidentally, veterans, with the one having nothing to do with the other. Some did a few years, got out, carried on in life and fell into hard times that have no connection with once having worn a uniform. Some were shitbirds during their service, stayed shitbirds afterwards, and brought it on themselves. Through criminality.
There’s no generalizable, monolithic population of ‘homeless veterans’. The question of homelessness is no more or less complex in the veteran population than in the rest of society. Generally you see similar patterns of trauma and addiction, or sometimes plain and simple criminal misconduct.
Many would be receptive to help, but not all. Some of those who accept help unfortunately don’t stick the landing.
Other homeless veterans are homeless and, coincidentally, veterans, with the one having nothing to do with the other. Some did a few years, got out, carried on in life and fell into hard times that have no connection with once having worn a uniform. Some were shitbirds during their service, stayed shitbirds afterwards, and brought it on themselves. Through criminality.
There’s no generalizable, monolithic population of ‘homeless veterans’. The question of homelessness is no more or less complex in the veteran population than in the rest of society. Generally you see similar patterns of trauma and addiction, or sometimes plain and simple criminal misconduct.
Many would be receptive to help, but not all. Some of those who accept help unfortunately don’t stick the landing.
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On veterans. It took a long time for me to acknowledge myself as one (it took retired CAF members at the Creemore Legion to get m to recognize that).
I battled a lot of mental health issues (Not PTSD), I was proactive and sought out the help I needed. My wife and kids were 100% behind me. I was lucky.
I have friends from the CAF that have many different levels of experiences. A close friend of mine (who is godfather to my youngest son) is a retired RCR MWO and his issues didn't start to materialize util many years after retirement. It can be a sneaky demon. I had other friends and peers, who recognized right away they had problems and got help. I had a soldier who served under me in 2008 (A MCPL who was in C Coy in 1RCR in Afghanistan, guess what battle he was in) who revealed to me after working with me for almost a year that he could not sleep more than 3-4 hours a night because of the nightmares from Medussa. I asked him to get help from the medical system, he opted to release instead. He is fine and did eventually get help.
It bothered me big time that people can slip through the cracks.
There is no one answer for all cookie cutter solutions. ts a tough battle. At the end of the day, veterans will need the help of their brother veterans more than anything to help them out.
Addressing the politics, if we can dump millions upon millions of dollars on foreign bullshit, fuck that, put the money towards out veterans.
I battled a lot of mental health issues (Not PTSD), I was proactive and sought out the help I needed. My wife and kids were 100% behind me. I was lucky.
I have friends from the CAF that have many different levels of experiences. A close friend of mine (who is godfather to my youngest son) is a retired RCR MWO and his issues didn't start to materialize util many years after retirement. It can be a sneaky demon. I had other friends and peers, who recognized right away they had problems and got help. I had a soldier who served under me in 2008 (A MCPL who was in C Coy in 1RCR in Afghanistan, guess what battle he was in) who revealed to me after working with me for almost a year that he could not sleep more than 3-4 hours a night because of the nightmares from Medussa. I asked him to get help from the medical system, he opted to release instead. He is fine and did eventually get help.
It bothered me big time that people can slip through the cracks.
There is no one answer for all cookie cutter solutions. ts a tough battle. At the end of the day, veterans will need the help of their brother veterans more than anything to help them out.
Addressing the politics, if we can dump millions upon millions of dollars on foreign bullshit, fuck that, put the money towards out veterans.
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Correct - but that does not lessen our duty of care and concern. Sure some are shitbirds and criminals (FWIW one of ours murdered five people but its not PTSD that caused that)
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Not sure who actually checks that though; remember seeing a news story about someone that was homeless and was supported by one of these charities that I am certain never finished basic. Stuff like that makes me resent having to get the RCL to sign off on a veterans plate as the provincial desk could just as easily check the same card.
There are also a lot of homeless people who claim to be veterans, who aren't actually veterans.
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And, it is not just Global Affairs throwing Canadian taxpayers money around by this government.
Giving money away is a whole industry within the government. Different programs. Even China gets funds.
Examples: How Canada spends its aid
- In 2022, Canada spent US\$7.4 billion on aid, which was 0.37% of its Gross National Income (GNI)
In 2022/23, Canada spent a record high CAD\$8.1 billion on international assistance
Other foreign aid programs Economic development programs, Official bilateral debt relief, Employment and Social Development Canada, and Environment Canada.
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