DUI - Effects on Joining?

[McG]

Would a pending DUI prevent me from joining?

Just based on what we do with serving personnel that are convicted of driving under the influence, I would expect that, should you be convicted, the CF would not consider your file for at least one year after the conviction.

 

[jcl]

Just based on what we do with serving personnel that are convicted of driving under the influence, I would expect that, should you be convicted, the CF would not consider your file for at least one year after the conviction.

doh!

 

[CombatDoc]

Lets say my legal issues are complete, and say I was convicted of a dui charge.  Would I be elgible to join the military and persue a university career?

The CF policy towards DUI has recently taken a much harder line in terms of consequences, although I don't have the DAOD or CANFORGEN in front of me.  Essentially, for serving members who are charged with alcohol-related offences your file is sent up the food chain to Ottawa for a review by Director Military Careers.  With a existing DUI conviction I suspect your chances of entry are slim, but the only way to find out is to check with the recruiters.  I have the new policy in my office, so I'll try to get the reference today.

 

[greentoblue]

Lets say my legal issues are complete, and say I was convicted of a dui charge.  Would I be elgible to join the military and persue a university career?

Okay this is a hypothetical situation so giving a straight answer is impossible.  You have to talk to your recruiter as they will have access to all the latest Recruiting Group directives and can consult the specialist Personnel Selection Officers and Career Counsellors.  I can say that Recruiting Group directives can and do change.  However, your best bet is that you have a good lawyer to represent you to defeat the charge as well as staying away from the booze or putting yourself in a position to be compromised.  Believe me, we're not saints but we do expect people trying to join us to maintain a certain standard of conduct.  In fact on-and-off duty conduct is an assessment factor right on the annual performance review.

Also, if university education is what you want, you need to work on your spelling ie "elgible" and "persue."  From personal experience I can tell you that there is no mercy for an officer or officer wannabe with poor English skills.

 

[jcl]

The CF policy towards DUI has recently taken a much harder line in terms of consequences, although I don't have the DAOD or CANFORGEN in front of me.  Essentially, for serving members who are charged with alcohol-related offences your file is sent up the food chain to Ottawa for a review by Director Military Careers.  With a existing DUI conviction I suspect your chances of entry are slim, but the only way to find out is to check with the recruiters.  I have the new policy in my office, so I'll try to get the reference today.

I expect as much, sucks to hear but that's reality.

Thanks man.

 

[George Wallace]

Also, if university education is what you want, you need to work on your spelling ie "elgible" and "persue."  From personal experience I can tell you that there is no mercy for an officer or officer wannabe with poor English skills.

;D

That should include "double negatives".  I found this amusing:

Well I definately won't be doing that, nor do I have nothing to hide.

Thank you.

 

[brihard]

I'll be perfectly blunt, and this isn't to 'bash' you, this is to situate you properly. The CF is not a dumping ground for those lacking the judgment to make it in other careers.

As a matter of policy, all legal obligations must be discharged before your application will go anywhere. This will likely include sentencing conditions such as any period of probation. If you 'beat' the charge as you put it, the CF cannot discriminate against you in terms of employment, though it's possible that it may still affect your application for MP. The MPs are, after all, a police force. You must prove yourself to be possessed of the maturity and judgement to be entrusted with the role they fill even here at home.

If you are convicted, then you are a convicted criminal and will have a substantially harder time getting into the C.F. MP is out, as is undoubtedly medical officer. The recruiting for Med O is a different thing altogether anyway, but I cannot conceive of the C.F. taking someone who's just gotten a DUI and paying their way through med school. Firefighter is also very hard to get into directly, most (if not all) people getting in are transfers form other trades. I do not imagine you would be competitive with no military experience and a recent criminal conviction.

Past whatever mandated waiting period there is post conviction you will still, with a criminal record, be competing for any job with those without one. The C.F. attracts a lot of recruits, and the doors aren't exactly open these days.  Put it this way: if a civilian police force, firefighting organization, or medical school wouldn't take you under these conditions, why should the military?

That's not to say you will not be successful in getting into the CF at all, but you've named three trades that range from somewhat to extremely ambitious. Check with the recruiters, but also realize that your judgment will be distrusted for quite some time to come. I would hope, frankly, that with our recruiting intake being as limited as it is that you would not be considered competitive for several years at least. Play it straight and prove to the military that you deserve a spot. If convicted, you'll be starting with a hell of a disadvantage.

 

[pontcanna]

If convicted, my best guess would be that the sentence would have to be satisfied and a pardon granted. How long that takes depends on whether Crown proceeds with the charge as a summary or indictable offence (impaired/.08 is a hybrid offence, I believe). Pardon can be granted after 5 years for an indictable conviction and 3 years for summary conviction.

 

[Jaycan]

Good luck and I sincerely hope you walk away with a conditional or suspended sentence.

 

[PuckChaser]

a large donation to a charity in the judges name. It happens all the time!!

That sounds awfully close to the line of what a bribe is... that judge will get tax credit for the donation, effectively giving him/her money.

 

[aesop081]

Ahh....legal advice from random anonymous strangers on the internet.

Always reliable of course.........

:

 

[Container]

nevermind. What an officer you'll make- suggesting people misrepresent themselves to the court and drag their feet and burden the system.

 

[Journeyman]

nevermind. What an officer you'll make- suggesting people misrepresent themselves to the court and drag their feet and burden the system.

Well, to be fair to the officers, although Jaycan's profile claims he's a Naval Cadet, his posts say he hasn't even done his CFAT yet. There's a history of misrepresentation.

Of course, he did show up with a masters degree, stating that the Recruiter's "eyes light up when she saw that. I felt from that moment on she was catering to me" -- I've no doubt that Recruiters have multiple orgasms when such unabashed awesomeness walks in; probably no misrepresentation there. 

 

[martr]

That sounds awfully close to the line of what a bribe is... that judge will get tax credit for the donation, effectively giving him/her money.

I was thinking the same thing; isn't that a bribe?

A large donation under your own name, sure.. but under the name of the person deciding your fate in an effort to get a better (for you) decision?

For fun, I looked into the definition of bribery:
Bribery, a form of corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behavior of the recipient.

 

[Jaycan]

Tax receipts are not issued if through a court. And you write it in the judges name for administrative purposes to keep track of who rendered the sentence and that it is indeed from a court. The judge receives no tax credit, nor do you. Under charity law, to qualify as a gift a payment must be voluntary. A payment that results from a court order, even if the taxpayer was given a choice between making a payment and some other penalty, cannot be said to be voluntary. Therefore, if a company or individual is ordered by a court to give money to charity, the charity cannot issue an official donation receipt for the amount it receives. If needed, the charity can issue an ordinary receipt to acknowledge such a payment.

 

[martr]

Thank you!! I will fall asleep less stupid today! 

 

[aesop081]

Tax receipts are not issued if through a court. And you write it in the judges name for administrative purposes to keep track of who rendered the sentence. Under charity law, to qualify as a gift a payment must be voluntary. A payment that results from a court order, even if the taxpayer was given a choice between making a payment and some other penalty, cannot be said to be voluntary. Therefore, if a company or individual is ordered by a court to give money to charity, the charity cannot issue an official donation receipt for the amount it receives. If needed, the charity can issue an ordinary receipt to acknowledge such a payment.

Lovely........more anonymous legal advice...........

 

[Jaycan]

yup and thanks for reading

 

[Journeyman]

Deleting the offending thread is good.

However, upon changing your name from jaycan to the much more creative jcan, you may wish to read this from the DS:

Changing Your User Name
.....seeing a new name online, can really annoy the Staff. We do respect your right for privacy so it is requested should you wish to change your name, let the Staff know so at least we can keep track of our members here.

Just doing my bit to make the stay of those members who find reading the guidelines too onerous, a little less miserable. 

 

[Jaycan]

I would first start by saying my comment was not in any way "offending." No race, group, individual, plant or planet was made a target or criticized in any form.

And secondly, thanks for the info.