- Reaction score
- 1,454
- Points
- 1,260
Nemo888 said:I think most only make 27k a year. You won't get much for that.
Out of curiosity, I compared a couple of job calls online. Their pay does not seem competitive with corporate security.
Nemo888 said:I think most only make 27k a year. You won't get much for that.
Nemo888 said:But the Commissionaires provide work to Vets who often do not have other options. Many soldiers leave the Army too beat up to do most jobs. Bad knees, shoulders, PTSD, etc. We should look after our own.
The reason there are so many Cmre is because they are the cheapest option out of any available. There's a reason that when budgets needed to be cut at certain bases who had Reservists manning gates in conjunction with the Cmre that the Cmre stayed and the Reservists went home.Kokanee said:...are an expense we can't afford ATM with the austerity measures we need to conform to WRT budget concerns.
That might be easy for you to say if you only have 1 x Cmre post at your Duty Centre but the picture isn't as simple as that for everyone. How do you propose to man all of the positions at a place such as Halifax? If I recall correctly, there are well over 150 Cmre working posts in that location, most of which do not belong to a "unit" but which support MARLANT and it's lodger units as a whole (ie. gates to the Dockyard). Where do those positions come from? I'm sure the Fleet, which is already short sailors, would be more than happy to be told they need to pony up personnel to fill those positions. How much more effective do you think a Bos'n is going to be while escorting a builidng repair contractor into the Dockyard than a Cmre when he has absolutely no vested interest in the task and is simply filling it because he got "shafted" to do it at 1530 hrs on a Friday of a long weekend?I wouldn't mind pulling a duty @ the front desk of my Unit every two months or so if it meant we could toss them out, heck for once Unit security SOPs and positive control of access to bldgs/restricted areas might actually be enforced.
garb811 said:The reason there are so many Cmre is because they are the cheapest option out of any available. There's a reason that when budgets needed to be cut at certain bases who had Reservists manning gates in conjunction with the Cmre that the Cmre stayed and the Reservists went home.
That might be easy for you to say if you only have 1 x Cmre post at your Duty Centre but the picture isn't as simple as that for everyone. How do you propose to man all of the positions at a place such as Halifax? If I recall correctly, there are well over 150 Cmre working posts in that location, most of which do not belong to a "unit" but which support MARLANT and it's lodger units as a whole (ie. gates to the Dockyard). Where do those positions come from? I'm sure the Fleet, which is already short sailors, would be more than happy to be told they need to pony up personnel to fill those positions. How much more effective do you think a Bos'n is going to be while escorting a builidng repair contractor into the Dockyard than a Cmre when he has absolutely no vested interest in the task and is simply filling it because he got "shafted" to do it at 1530 hrs on a Friday of a long weekend?
garb811 said:Chief:
Not an argument from my point of view and I, and my bosses, keep making the argument to put dedicated FP pers into the critical roles such as manning ACPs, but we are security advisers only, it is up to the Base Comd to implement or ignore that advice. BASF/WASF/FASF or rotating duty NCOs is/are not the solution as nobody is willing to dedicate the time to allow their "critical" personnel to meet the training requirements to fill the requirement any better than the Cmre currently do. Infanteer, I and a few others discussed some options here: MP's or Provost - An Idea on Roles but all of those cost much more than the current solution of relying on the contracted personnel from the Corps.
As posted earlier, we (the CF and Gov't as a whole) have no option as to who we turn to first for these types of roles, it is enshrined at the National level for "security" tasks, until that changes, and it won't in the short to mid-term due to the recently publicly reinforced perception that the Corps is a dignified and viable solution to the employment needs of ex-CF members (Commissionaires and DND Join Forces to Support Injured Veterans). You can bet that any move by the Gov't to strip the Corps of its favoured status would be met with a well coordinated publicity campaign highlighting yet another move by the Gov't to abandon the veterans. Accordingly, the only solution to the problems presented by the Corps' personnel is to find the internal resources to fill the task and time after time, the decision makers vote with their budget and "accept the risk" as opposed to doing what is right.
Point to note: If you go by the Guardshack at 5am and the Cmre is sleeping, don't just shrug and do a FIDO; file a complaint via the MP so that action can be taken to replace the individual, I have it done all the time. Not saying that the incoming person is going to be much better, but the message will hopefully get out that sleeping is going to cost them their $10.50 an hour.
It will at army.caHalifax Tar said:Linguistic ability is good but a lack of it wont hold you back.
Grimaldus said:Heightened security means longer wait times, more frustrations, longer commutes.
Fixed that for ya.CDN Aviator said:No it does not. I have been to many US bases in the last decade and have never waited long to get in, despite armed guards, 100% ID checks and random vehicle searches.
The trouble withplaces like Petawawaevery base in Canada is the design of the gates themselves. Properly built, you could have 100% checks and not delay anyone.
CDN Aviator said:No it does not. I have been to many US bases in the last decade and have never waited long to get in, despite armed guards, 100% ID checks and random vehicle searches.
The trouble with places like Petawawa is the design of the gates themselves. Properly built, you could have 100% checks and not delay anyone.
Grimaldus said:How much money did they throw at that problem.
Chief Stoker said:I agree. In the US, a lot of the navy and coast guard bases have uniformed armed security forces that handle gate duties.
Then again, this is Canada.
Kokanee said:The security situation was deemed to be elevated enough to deploy the BASF with weapons and magazines, but not ammo. At that point I realised it was a giant waste of time and didn't bother following up on it.
Grimaldus said:Exactly my friend. It works in the states, they've been doing it what the last 10 years? How much money did they throw at that problem.